Brown’s Speech: Stand up, stand up for Jesus … and me!

By keeptonyblairforpm

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29th September,

PARTY NIL – THE PRESS WON

Yes, the meeja was the clear victor in Labour’s ‘conference’ at Bournemouth. You wouldn’t know it, because THEY haven’t really noticed. They are so far up their own business that the collective printed media haven’t quite realised that they have at a stroke got Labour to change its foreign policy in at least one and probably more important areas.

Whether it’s just to upstage the Unutterable One (Blair) in case he gets too big for his statesman’s boots and actually DOES something useful in the Middle Easy – (causing the rest of us to wonder if perhaps he was doing something useful here too) – I haven’t yet worked out. It could be that, or the election, or something else entirely. Goodness … they might even MEAN it.

But Labour’s weak-kneed apology for their (Blair’s) mistakes over foreign policy are to my mind, a disgrace. Suddenly, now the boss has retired, they can say what they REALLY thought of him all along. Him and his ideas! Dreadful! UnSPEAKable!

And this policy apology is clearly for the benefit of the press, the voters and the party conference goers. I’m yet to be convinced it is thought through. Is it really for the benefit of the country?

DEFENCE SECRETARY HOISTS THE WHITE FLAG

The Defence Secretary Des Browne, seems to be repositioning Labour to the left of the trade unions. It’s clear the white flag went up at his speech at conference, when he said that we will need to speak to the Taleban, because they ‘are not going away’. The white flag went up to the media – victors all!

I don’t throw up my hands in horror (well, not both hands anyway) at the thought of negotiating with terrorists. We’ve had that experience here in Northern Ireland, and it took Blair 10 years to sort it out where refuseniks had failed for decades.

But SAYING that we need to negotiate with the Taleban because they are ‘not going away’ is WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

It is opening the door to other terrorists to keep on killing us – as Bin Laden promised in his recent video. They have seen the colour of our blood, and without Blair, it’s not red any more.

So, unless agreed with all parties involved, it is not an announcement for the UK to make, unless it is trying to upset an apple cart along the way.

Having said that, the Afghan leader President Hamid Karzai says that he is prepared to go and talk to Taleban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar and other rebel leaders, and to even invite them into his government. Yes – invite them into government!

So you might say that Browne is on the ball.

Or off his head.

And what do the Americans say about this? Who knows? Who cares? Brown, Miliband and Browne – tough guys all? Or ’see no evil, etc …’

The Conservatives could be jumping all over them next week for such blatant backtracking. But somehow, I don’t think they will. They know which side their newspaper is greased on.

27th September, 2007

LABOUR PARTY CONFERENCE OVER

“Who’d have thought it?” said a cabinet member to Nick Robinson at the end of the “most boring conference in years”. Well, Labour presumably, or they wouldn’t have crowned their man so determinedly.

And the reason that Brown has done so well? Probably many and complex, including Blair’s demise, and general contentment with Blair’s policies. Confused? Well, there we are then. But it must have something to do with the Tories’ perceived weakness at present.

Mr Cameron has the job of his life next week.

And as for ‘airbrushing Blair out of Labour’s history’ – just let them try.

TONY’S FRIEND TONY STICKS IT IN TOO

In the last few weeks of Blair’s premiership I used to quite admire Tony McNulty. He seemed to have some empathy with the position of the then PM. But now he’s turned out to be as unprincipled as the rest of the cronies. The criticism of Blair & Reid’s “civil liberties” clampdown – [where? - when? - nobody's clamped me down] – is typical of the pre-electioneering going on amongst the erstwhile.

ANOTHER ‘BLAME BLAIRER’ ON THE MAKE

On another note – Melanie Phillips – who often talks good British sense – stamps heavily on at least one of those taken in and just maybe, cashing in, on the ‘blame Blair’ hysteria over Lebanon last summer. Robert Harris, writer of ‘The Ghost’, another erstwhile, who fell out with Blair over Iraq and Mandelson – (though interestingly Mandelson didn’t fall out with Blair) – has ‘ghosted’ Blair right through his new book. The fictional ex-PM was up to all sorts of tricks, it seems.

No?

Blair, (what do you mean it WASN’T a nod to Blair?), if this is a sideways swipe look, becomes more and more interesting as time passes.

The political point Harris makes about Lebanon is what upsets Melanie Phillips, as it should. But it just might be that those who buy Harris’s book are wondering, hoping that there might be a tale of marital infidelity to transfer to real life.

Melanie Phillips says:

‘Groan. Here we go again. Leave aside the issue of Iraq — Harris appears to have swallowed wholesale the Big Lie of last year’s Lebanon war. Let’s recap, briefly.

What prompted Israel’s military action in Lebanon was not comparable to terrorism in Northern Ireland.

Next, there was no ‘massive loss of civilian life’ — quite the contrary. [...] But the British media nevertheless viciously misrepresented the whole thing, inducing a national hysteria and madness — which was what drove Tony Blair from office earlier than he had intended. It was one of the most disgraceful episodes in contemporary British history. Patently false Hezbollah propaganda claims were uncritically regurgitated by the British media as fact, which I commented upon here.

And Harris is depending on Blair’s indifference, and seeing “the joke”!

‘And I think that if he read it he would both see the joke, in a way, and I think he would be quite indifferent to it. It’s that quality of indifference that makes him such a formidable politician. I don’t think he holds any kind of grudge – I think he can completely absorb things, and that’s one of his most impressive qualities.” A niggle of worry raises its head again. “I may be totally wrong. The day this appears a writ might come through the door. But I would doubt it, knowing him.” ‘

Good joke, eh? Wonder if Mrs Blair is quite so water-off-a-duck’s-back about it?

And Lebanon – when will these grudge-mongers get it? We didn’t matter as far as saying/criticising/moaning in that conflict. Saying is not doing. Thank the powers that be were, that Blair would not be held hostage to the Guardianistos and the like.

Btw, got a good lawyer Mr Harris?

The Daily Mail, which, in its search for balance and freedom, have NEVER printed a comment of mine, including this short one today “Yeah, me”, have their take on the book. Surprise, surprise!

On Harris:

‘Meanwhile, he is alternating between laughter and horror at the attempts of the media cavalcade to turn his thriller into a literal roman a clef. “Peter Mandelson has phoned to say: ‘Would it help if I denounced it?’” he giggles. Not if Cherie gets there first.’

26th September, 2007

MILIBAND DISOWNS IRAQ

“Sorry, Tony. Nothing personal.”

When the boy David, Miliband not Cameron, meets Blair today at the U.N. I don’t expect there will be much said about Miliband’s comments over the “mistakes over Iraq” and the alienation of “millions of muslims”. After all, they agree on both those points.

It is also the case that millions of non-muslims have been alienated over islamist terrorism (‘muslims’) attacking the west before and after Iraq.

But of course Brown has already worked his ’son of the manse’ stuff on the British clan of non-muslims, especially the marginal seat voters in the south of England. And now Miliband is having a go at bringing back into the fold the distanced muslims in the inner cities. [The Tories will never win them over - but watch those Lib Dems!]

MEANWHILE – WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF US?

Of course David & Gordon HAVE TO do this. It’s election time – and Labour needs all of them onside – until after November, anyway. Hopefully then New, New Labour can clamp down with a heavy hand on the mosques up and down the country that are still encouraging fundamentalist radicalism and action against the rest of us ‘unbelievers’.

Sorry to sound cynical, but there we are.

And Mr Blair will understand this Foreign Secretary and PM/GB tactic, from these, his erstwhile closest lieutenants. The scars on his back are toughened now, if not completely healed.

24th September, 2007

BROWN’S NON-JAW-DROPPING SPEECH

Have you noticed that Brown has stopped doing the fish gawp? Only now have I realised this. But then, as I may have mentioned before, I can’t warm to GB/PM, so don’t watch him a lot. I must be one of those British people (Scottish too) whose values, rights and responsibilities preclude me, oddly, from jumping on the Brown bandwagon. [Wonder what Alastair Campbell & Peter Mandelson, seated in the hall, REALLY thought!]

Read The Scotsman’s thoughts on the Brown speech

STANDING UP FOR GOD AND BROWN

Just a thought – ‘GB/PM’ – stands for Great Britain/British/Briton! That’s why he kept mentioning it.

One thing I noticed GB/PM had in common with Menzies Campbell last week was the heavy hint to his audience that it was time they got to their feet for him! Ming Campbell did it last week by waving his arms upwards to the assembled faithful at the end. GB/PM did it by saying he “would always stand up for you“! After he’d told us Jesus stood up for ALL the children.

Don’t think Tony Blair EVER had to encourage a standing ovation. That decision he left to others.

And I’m still standing (after all this time).

The Scotsman’s angle on the Great Scot – Brit’s speech to conference.

2009 for Election

So after Brown’s speech it seems the bookies still say that 2009 is the favourite for the next election. I still think he may go at the beginning of November if Cameron does badly in the polls after his conference next week.

ANALYSIS – NICK’S & MINE [IN A SOUNDBITE OR TWO]

  • The BBC’s Nick Robinson’s quick analysis of the speech was pretty much in tune with mine.
  • Doing ‘God’ was unheard of by any previous prime minister or leader. Even the deeply religious Mr Blair never did it! How risky in this secular country. Did Alastair Campbell squirm?
  • Saying ‘Britain’ and/or ‘British’ 71 times (some say over 80 – I can’t be bothered counting) is interesting. Appealing to the right.
  • ‘Rights and responsiblities’ – noteworthy, I think. Hardly novel.
  • Values. Blair’s BIG word.
  • Standing up for the country and its people (what ELSE would he do?)
  • And a lot of other Blairite stuff.
  • Something about ‘parliament deciding on going to war’ – which presumably is meant to refer to dropping the royal prerogative, (by recent tradition in the hands of the PM.) But, Blair DID NOT USE this prerogative. He ALWAYS went to parliament and won parliamentary consent. Don’t try to mislead the gullible by half-truths and innuendo, Mr GB/PM! God would not approve!
  • So, very little about Iraq or international policies. Just … wait for it … mention of our “responsibilities” a few dozen times. [In parentheses this is meant to infer, 'I am a responsible person, as are all of you great Britons and so I will be obligated to maintain our forces in Iraq. But you understand I would prefer it if the other guy hadn't gone in in the first place, although at the time I went along with him and voted for it as did all the other members of the cabinet, bar one who resigned. And if you wanted rid of Blair and to have me because of Iraq, SORRY to disappoint you- but that's life and international politics in this day of rights and responsibilities. You have the right to complain, but I have the responsibility.'] And if it’s a question of caring about YOUR rights. Well, I don’t care, and you’re not right!
  • And of course there was the rather confused business about a meritocracy for ALL the people! What? A contradiction in terms? I thought a meritocracy meant you got to the top through merit, and not as part of a great plan (social engineering?)
  • And … and …

WHERE WAS BLAIR?

I don’t mean ‘literally’. He was never going to be present as he is attending the UN General Assembly meeting in New York in his role as international Middle East peace envoy for the Quartet. But, after winning three elections for Labour – UNHEARD OF previously, moving Labour to the centre of British politics, and making the Tories now resemble a fringe party, surely courtesy itself should have produced more than a word of thanks in reference to Northern Ireland and the new Envoy post?

Nick Robinson also noticed this, not just we arch-Blairites. Tony Blair, the prime minister responsible for implementing the ‘great progress’ already made in the country and within Labour, had but a quick mention. A sentence or two, after 40 minutes or so into the GB/PM speech, and only with reference to his Middle East quest and his Northern Ireland success.

Maybe he didn’t want to remind us of what we were missing.

I know the British public are supposed to be now asking, “Tony Who”, though I don’t accept that, but c’mon, Labour party! Disgraceful omission! HE put you lot where you are now. No ifs, no buts, no alsos.

‘Courtesy’ might have been a useful word to include in Brown’s lexicon of ‘good’ words today.

And, by the way, Mr GB/PM, how exactly do we deport people who supply guns and drugs when it is clear that EU obligations forbid it? Like the wool you tried to pull over our eyes over Blair’s ‘abuse’ of the Royal Prerogative, you should be thoroughly ashamed of this attempt at deceit or diversion. Don’t forget to ask for forgiveness tonight as you say your prayers.

So, in the end, a lot of populist stuff but nothing inspirational. But did we ever really expect to be inspired after Blair?

The days of inspiration are long gone. Workmanlike is the best that could be said for GB/PM. Though I AM glad he’s stopped resembling a fish gasping for oxygen.

Wonder if Mr Cameron feels a bit like that today?

23rd September, 2007

HAPPINESS – HAPPINESS, THE GREATEST GIFT THAT I POSSESS

Well, isn’t Brown a happy bunny today?

No, really! I have never seen him smile so much and look so relaxed as today at his party conference. Perhaps something to do with not having another guy on your shoulder trying to subtly kill you off (figuratively, of course).

Anyway – my advice to GB/PM – sorry I admit to being in complete denial – the words “Prime Minister” attached to GB/PM haven’t soaked into my skin yet – my advice is to go for an election when and if you get a lead of around 10% – 12% after an opinion poll following the Tories’ conference next week. This is what I suggested before GB got the job, and nothing has changed, as far as I can see.

The Tories need to have poll leads of at least 10% to win even a tiny majority, such are the constituency boundary layout at present. But we should remember that GB/PM only has to keep his eye on a handful of constituencies, notably in the south of England. If Labour is still holding up in Kent and other such regions, well, he has a win in the bag.

IT’S ALL ABOUT THE LEADER

I really don’t think GB/PM is going to remain as popular as he seems to be at the moment. It’s been a busy and testing summer already, although blame for most the issues have not attached to the government. But, if it is the economy, sweetheart, there may be more bad news in the pipeline.

Although, having said that, how on earth would Cameron and his teenage chancellor cope with that!?

At least the present prime minister and chancellor look like mature adults.

And on the back-burner – the unions! Still dreaming that GB/PM will take them back pre-1997.

No chance!

13th September, 2007

BROWN AT TUC – “MOST BORING SPEECH IN YEARS”

Last year it was heart-breaking to watch Blair being lampooned by the TUC, as RMT members walked out on him, over … er… something or other, Iraq, I expect. And all that after he had just been deposed, more or less, by his own party. All I remember is an ungrateful crowd of wasters attacking the man who brought their party (I expect they were mostly Labour) three historic election victories.

Now, I just can’t bring myself to watch GB/PM. He bores and irritates me. And if I wanted another dose of Shakespearian tragedy, I’d go to Stratford. So I don’t really know what he was like, but it seems it was the most boring speech for years! This might tell you something. OK, so the ‘enemy of my enemy’ thing again!

It comes to something when the TUC is missing Blair. Can’t wait for the Labour Party conference.

“NOT FLASH, JUST GORDON” !?

UnFlash Gordon! And they pay good money for this? Saatchi & Saatchi (yes, they of the Thatcher “Labour’s not Working” fame) won Labour’s advertising contract for the above catchy phrase. If they use it, I think it may end up catching THEM!

I KID YOU NOT

I could have done better. I mean – doesn’t Labour’s election machine get it? They may be attempting a double whammy here, in that we are supposed to dismiss two opponents in one go – Cameron & Blair – but they also fix in our minds that we are stuck with Brown and remind us TOO much perhaps, of Blair!

Apart from that Flash Gordon is a comic strip character more associated with Brown’s childhood than today’s young voters. That’s a reminder of his age – older than the youthful Blair.

And the original Flash Gordon was tasked with fighting the Red Sword invaders. Now, if UnFlash is NOT up to that, WHO the hell is, now that we have our very own Red Sword invaders to fight?

MY SUGGESTIONS

What about “Not Colourful, just Brown” OR “Not Interesting, just Boring” OR “Not New, just Old”.

I don’t know; perhaps I’m missing something. Or perhaps I’m in the wrong business. I’m sure I could have done better than S & S, playing with words on the battles of the Brothers B. Make no mistake, that comparison – BvB – as much as with contrasting Brown with ‘flashy’ Cameron, is what it’s all about.

The first comparison that leapt straight into MY mind, on reading the “Not Flash, Just Gordon” phrase, was that of Brown v Blair and not Brown v Cameron. And perhaps that’s to be expected since in my opinion Blair’s enemies stood next to him; while his opponents sat opposite.

  • So in a ‘flash’ Brown has reminded us that we used to have Blair in Number 10, a winner if ever Labour had one.
  • He has re-opened Labour’s wounds, reminding them of betrayal and making some of them wonder if they have done the right thing with their patricide.
  • And he has sent middle ground voters on whom they depend back to the Lib Dems and the Tories, cos there’s little of any real value or difference attaching to GB/PM.
  • And anyway, argue the floaters, we quite liked ‘flash’ Blair, whatever they try to tell us, after the event!
  • Might as well go for Flash Cameron then.

Go for that election, GB/PM – but better go for it soon, before the electorate starts to get wise.

11th September, 2007

So, Brown has been holding a video conference with Bush after Petraeus’s evidence to Congress. Good.

It’s good to talk, Gordon.

4th September, 2007

BROWN OUT – BUSH IN

Fancy President Bush turning up in Iraq yesterday! The last time he was there was over a year ago, but somehow yesterday was just the right day.

Nothing to do with the British symbolic departure of the 550 from Basra by any chance?

All these agenda’d politicians …

The thought crosses my mind that Mr Bush might not have felt the need to issue the obviously Brown-aimed shot across the bows, if Gordon had just picked up the telephone, and mentioned yesterday’s exit from Basra to George. The president will have been expecting an early withdrawal of sorts, as Blair had said as much months ago. But the difference is that for good or ill, Blair knew whose side he was on. Brown seems to think he is on the side of the British ‘liberatti’ press and those who cry, “OUT NOW”, as though THEY were the decision-makers.

Nothing to do with an upcoming general election?

Now I may be wrong here, and perhaps Brown did ring Bush, but one of the reasons Blair did so well in international relationships is that he communicates. I’m not sure if GB/PM has yet recognised the value of this.

Whatever, much as we all, and I mean ALL, would like to see our troops home before we lose any more, why do I have this nasty taste in my mouth?

PETRAEUS REPORT AWAITED WITH BATED BREATH

Bush is awaiting the report to Congress on 10th & 11th September from General David Petraeus, the head of US forces in Iraq, and the US ambassador, Ryan Crocker. Added to that there are varying opinions as to whether or not the ’surge’ is actually working.

Bush’s words were meant for British ears, as well as American. To paraphrase, sort of:

To the British:

“Tony had the guts to keep your guys there to see the job through. Where’s your backbone, Mr Brown?”

And, to the Americans:

“We Americans don’t cut and run on our responsibilities, even if others do.”

Some of the president’s actual words:

But I want to tell you this about the decision – about my decision about troop levels. Those decisions will be based on a calm assessment by our military commanders on the conditions on the ground – not a nervous reaction by Washington politicians to poll results in the media.

In other words, when we begin to draw down troops from Iraq, it will be from a position of strength and success, not from a position of fear and failure. To do otherwise would embolden our enemies and make it more likely that they would attack us at home.

If we let our enemies back us out of Iraq, we will more likely face them in America. If we don’t want to hear their footsteps back home, we have to keep them on their heels over here. And that’s exactly what you’re doing, and America is safer for it.

Go here to read all of President Bush’s speech. Note how Basra, Britain or the British troops were NOT mentioned.

SO MUCH TO WIN SO MUCH TO LOSE – WARS & ELECTIONS

Given that the withdrawal was already lined up while Tony Blair was PM, it’s hardly unexpected. But, Mr Bush has a ‘war’ still to win, and despite the warnings that “we are in for the long haul”, American and British electorate are not entirely convinced. And of course, Mr Brown has an election to win and a mandate to secure.

Perhaps Mr Bush would like nothing better than that Brown fails to do so, as his pay-back for Tony’s demise.

So, is it “defeat”?

Well, like so many things in politics, it depends. I’ll try and list a few options here, that come to mind, then just see how they balance up.

  • If you think we lost it years ago – right at the start, say, by going in in the first place – then the exit is a defeat.
  • Or victory for those of us who “knew right at the start”.
  • If you think the British government took fright at public concerns over troop deaths, then it’s defeat.
  • Or victory for expediency over political reality.
  • If you think that one soldier’s death (or several hundred) are too many, then it’s defeat.
  • Or victory for pacifism and non-interventionism.
  • If you didn’t believe the reasons for going in in the first place, then it’s defeat.
  • Or victory for your own superior political knowledge and judgement.
  • If you think our troops were ‘causing’ the insurgent murders by their very presence, then it’s defeat.
  • Or victory for those who kill their own to defeat the enemy.
  • If you think the Sunni & Shi’ite’s meeting in Finland today portends some kind of ceasefire, then it’s victory.
  • Or defeat, since we didn’t persuade them to have the meeting.
  • If you reckon Iran might stop supplying weapons and training to the insurgents now that we are going, then it’s victory.
  • Or defeat, since they have beaten us into submission.
  • If you don’t believe there is such a thing as fundamentalist terrorism, then it’s victory.
  • Or defeat by Mr Nobody.
  • If you think the “war on terror” can’t be won anyway, then it’s victory.
  • Or maybe defeat.
  • If you think our troops have taught the Iraqis sufficiently well for them to sort themselves out, then it’s victory.
  • If you think we could have done better if we had stayed longer, then it’s defeat.

I make that 1 clear defeat and 1 clear victory. Apart from that … well, it’s complicated.

It depends. Anyway, GB/PM says that it ’s not defeat, so he must be right since he’s been helping to run the show in Iraq for the last 4 years. Oh, as well as fund it, in case you’d forgotten.

The withdrawal of British troops from the southern Iraqi city of Basra is not a defeat, Gordon Brown has insisted.

The Ministry of Defence said the handover of Basra province was now due in the autumn.

The prime minister said the withdrawal was “pre-planned and organised” and UK forces would take an “overwatch” role.

Since we originally had 40,000 plus troops in Iraq at the beginning, and now they have been reduced to a fraction of that, you can hardly say we’ve suddenly decided to get out with the arrival of Brown.

CONFLICT RESOLUTION – NORTHERN IRELAND AS THE EXAMPLE

This weekend, in Finland, Northern Ireland’s Martin McGuinness has chaired talks between Iraqi Sunnis & Shi’ites on what the Northern Ireland politicians learned about “conflict resolution” following the settlement of the decades long conflict a few months ago, under the guidance of Tony Blair (remember him?)

It seems the Iraqi groups have been looking at the “Twelve Principles” idea, echoing George Mitchell’s principles. Both Sunnis and Shi’ites are considering a disarmament commission, as in Northern Ireland.

I wonder if anyone mentioned the name of that other guy, largely instrumental in the peaceful settlement in Northern Ireland – a certain Mr Blair, of whom George Mitchell said in 1998:

“Blair understands the extent to which both communities see themselves as victims, and he has a remarkable ability to identify with and calm their fears. From what I saw I will say this: if I had an important interest, public or private, that was subject to negotiation, I’d be happy to have Tony Blair representing me.”

If the Sunnis & Shi’ites left Finland with praise for Mr Blair ringing in their ears, they might be confused somewhat, but nonetheless, wiser.


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19 Responses to “Brown’s Speech: Stand up, stand up for Jesus … and me!”

  1. keeptonyblairforpm Says:

    Tony – were those the same instincts which said that the Scottish Nats were “neither here not there”, in the Scottish parliamentary elections in May?

    That was well before the locals, if I recall properly, though I think, to be fair, you meant that even if they did well that would not carry over to the general election.

    I agree with that – but as you and I have both said before – people vote for all sorts of different reasons.

    And good try with this one, Tony:

    “Tony Blair agreed that he would not stand in the role of PM again at the last election because he understood that it wouldn’t work. I am sorry if, Blairfriend, you do not agree with him.”

    He said he wasn’t going to go on and on, and that the British people wouldn’t want a prime minister in place for four elections, true.

    And of course, he had to say that, didn’t he?

    It’s easy for me to wish he’d stood up against the armed forces of pygmies. It was only HIM they were threatening, not me! They could have done a lot of damage from down there ;0(

    Are you saying that the meeting with Murdoch SHAPED their policies? I think it’s more likely that Blair was, to Murdoch, Thatcher Mark 2, and he thought he could bribe (by supporting) New Labour, into loosening EU ties, (which always worry Murdoch and the right).

    You’re certainly right about the opposition bit. Power with limited or slightly skewed principles is a firmer platform than vice versa. Ask the Lib Dems!

    I may have to stop this blog soon. My instincts – to support the courageous Blair – mean that I am saying nasty things about his party, which he probably would prefer if I didn’t.

    Your “nos 1-10 of the itinerary – getting elected” is understood. But do they HAVE to do it by constantly sticking the knife into Blair? He’s already a goner!

    It seems Tony McNulty is also at it now. Complaining about the government’s reaction (Blair’s & Reid’s, in parentheses) to the 2005 terror attacks. Something about civil liberties and the Islamist council of Great Britain! So that’s the Guardianistos in New, New Labour’s big tent now!

    I used to LIKE that guy!

    Tony – when you first wrote here, you were on to the Islamist terrorist thing – HEAVILY! Much more than I was. You even told me you had been banned from various newspapers for it. Politically correct fools! Though they have never banned me.

    Are you now telling me that these new Brownites (Miliband & McNulty) are distancing themselves from Blair FOR A REASON WHICH HAS MORE URGENCY AND IMPORTANCE than tackling terrorism? In other words – getting elected? THAT is more important than telling it like it is!?

    Is Conservatism in this democracy more dangerous than tackling terrorism at its roots?

    I think this placating of trainee terrorists is more morally reprehensible than risking losing an election.

    But then, what do MY instincts mean?

    Btw, I said several months ago, that November 1st or 8th would be Brown’s date for seeking his own mandate, if he was 10-12% ahead in the polls.

    On Newsnight it was reported that a minister said of the election timing decision:

    “It’s a more difficult decision than deciding to bomb Iraq”!!!

    WHAT? WHAT?

    Are they saying THEY took a difficult decision?

    This from the new spinners that say they don’t do spin!

    Campbell must be turning over in his … bed. And thinking, “thank God I’m out of it”.

  2. Tony Jarrett Says:

    I didn’t say the Scot Nats were neither here nor there in those elections.

    I said their performance was not reelvant to the Parliamentary General Election we shall prob have in the next two years.
    I was pretty clear I believe.

    Scots may have been happy to have a bit of a protest in their local parliament, they will vote Labour when it come to choosing a UK Government.

    Individual LP MPs are likely to be difficult if they are disappointed by not being in office, or not gettig what they want, and election fever makes them skittish.

    Pretty pathetic to attack Tone now, surely? And beneath notice, let alone contempt.

    I seem to have been banned form the Guardian’s CiF for reasons whch are at least connecetd to my oppsoition to Islamo-fascism, they still won’t tell me exactly. I never claimed to have been banned in any other way, though the DT efdits soemtimes, and seems to defend its own from my attacks sometimes, but doesn’t afford me the same rights.

    Brown has been very solid vs the Islamo-fascists, if he wants softly-softly to placate the young while their hearts and minds are influneced I hope he has success.

    The Council you refer to is not a rspectable one as I recall, but I do not have time to check.

    Invading Iraq was an easier decision in some ways. If one believed that Saddam had WMDs it was clear cut.

    When to have an election is a bit less clear because a victory now will slaughter the Tory Party, who are not well placed to strike out in one direction with a new leader. They are very badly split.

    A 2 year delay may find them in a better shape to recover after a defeat.

    And of course the election fever makes life difficult for governing. The blethering classes are a bore, aren’t they?

    I am close to giving up on all this too . . .

  3. keeptonyblairforpm Says:

    Apologies Tony, if I mis-represented you. I did say in the above that I thought you were only referring to the general election outlook, as I recalled your comment. Could go and see if I could find your comment, if you like.

    I just can’t recall Brown saying much about “Islamo-fascists” – mustn’t forget the quotation marks or I’ll be banned from here!! Or much about terrorism. Wouldn’t have expected him to as chancellor, but he could have said a bit recently – a bit more than he said after Glasgow and London recently. That was VERY insipid, I thought.

    It’s been the country’s sleep-walking in recent years – possibly as many as 20, but certainly 10 – that has allowed these terrorists to bloom. And that’s because, with the best intentions and a blindfold on tight, our instinctive (that word again) liberal thinking, has led us to believe that we can persuade the majority of peace-loving, non-fundamentalist muslims that THEY need to sort out their own. But half of them – the women for a start – have no power. And many of the men prefer to put on their blindfolds like the rest of us, and hope someone else will deal with it.

    Most people don’t put themselves in the firing line. We’re not all masochists, y’know.

    So, I don’t distance Blair from responsibility for this negligence, but at least he did try to warn us in recent speeches. The rest of them – apart from very few – notably John Reid – kept their heads down, and in that category I include Brown.

    I put much of it down to the possibility that Blair would have sacrificed the muslim vote in exchange for the Tory vote … if they reckoned that was the cost of tackling the problem head on. Whereas most of inner-city Labour MPs wouldn’t have gone along with that.

    Yes, the Muslim Council of Great Britain has some dubious history. I haven’t checked recently either – but I do recall that the leader used to be on Newsnight a lot. Haven’t seen him for a while. So, doesn’t this tell us that if such a British-sounding muslim group is dodgy, what chance the others?

    The invading Iraq thing – I thought what was meant by that remark was not the difficult decision that Blair made to go for it and then get cabinet and parliamentary support. I thought the MP meant that allowing himself to be persuaded by Blair in parliament was difficult.

    Anyway – whatever!

    Yeah – makes you despair, Tony, doesn’t it at times. Still, your boy’s doing well. And mine is not now accountable to any of them, thank the Lord.

    All eyes will be on the Tories next week. Imminent death might just pull them together. Who knows?

  4. Tony Jarrett Says:

    Reid was Home Sec.

    Had Brown as Chancellor made pronouncements on security matters – internal or external – I bet you would have been one of those to object that he was overstepping, and if not, Reid et al would have done.

    Brown isn’t using “the word”, nor is Bush now it seems. Trying not to inflame those who might be offended by it.

    Sounds like I may have misunderstood the remarks re relative difficulties of those two decisions, not sure anyone cares, do you?

    Politicians may not be the only obtuse people at this time of the night . . .Yawn . . .

    Would you like to turn out the light?

  5. keeptonyblairforpm Says:

    Nah! You can reach it better from there!

    Wassamarra wi’ you – bed at this time? It’s only 3:00am! You need to be up, wide awake and bushy-eyed … I think … while our man is out there saving the world at the U.N. dontcha know?

    (I’m still working on a YouTube video. That’s my excuse.)

    Yes, as I wrote about Reid, I thought that. But since most people aren’t as sharp as you are, I thought I’d let it go. Anyway, wasn’t sure which of his ten (?) jobs he was in at that time. Was Charles Clarke Foreign Sec then?

    I DID say that I wouldn’t have expected Brown to have said anything while chancellor, but he hasn’t said much since. And yes, I have noticed Bush’s language is a bit more temperate. And Blair has always been fairly temperate, I think. It’s clear they all know they haven’t won the hearts and minds struggle.

    Still, you win some, you lose some. A spade a spade and all that.

    I’m beginning to feel like a lost soul ;0(

    Nobody cares.

    G’night.

    I’ll just take this anorak off …

  6. Karen mckenzie Says:

    Just a few words to say you have a fantastic blog lots of interesting stuff on tony & all so true please keep the blog going until the end of the year.
    i think tony blair was the best prime minister of my generation i voted for him& labour party in all 3 elections.i miss him so much he is a class act.
    he had the courage of his convictons to go into iraq i agreed with it then & still do. he is a visionary a great orator& he has charisma and last but not least he’s ahandsome &sexy guy.I know he will do great in his new job of mid east envoy
    gordon brown will never fill his shoes
    labour party is just boring now anyway geat blog keep it going

  7. keeptonyblairforpm Says:

    Thank you so much for this, Karen. I’ve been about to fold the blog a few times, because it takes so much of my time. And its main cause is already lost.

    But I’m so committed to this great man, I find it hard to let go. Sometimes I wonder if I’m not a bit OTT with it all, but then someone like you writes to me.

    Politics is so dreadful without him, isn’t it? I’m working on a video for YouTube at the moment which I’ll finish soon – hopefully. Trying to do him justice takes time.

    Tonight I found this one.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0LjYpjkCUo

    He did this interview the day before he left Downing Street. Still trying to make the ‘loopy’ liberal intelligentsia understand – right till the end.

    The press and their all-pervasive lies are behind much of his downfall, imho.

    He deserves a peace award for his battle with THEM!

    I have a couple of good videos posted on the site, btw, if you think he’s sexy! But they’ll probably make you cry.

    ;0(

  8. Karen mckenzie Says:

    thanks for your kind words it is so refreshing to find something on the net that is pro tony everything else is mostly about tarnishing his reputation &integrity but it is not all bad on the net there is still some fair minded people out there he is not perfect nobody is. but i don’t think there has been a pm in history who has had his chracter ruined so much by the media in this country.when he eventually gets round to writing his memoirs i hope he answers his critics in some way.
    p. s.would have commented sooner my email was not working
    keep up the good work.

  9. keeptonyblairforpm Says:

    Hi again Karen,

    Yes, I DO believe the press has a lot to answer for over Blair’s character assassination.

    The trouble is the moaners and groaners are noisy whereas the contented are quiet and … well, just content. Let me know of any ‘positive on Blair’ sites you find, please.

    I sent a comment to the Guardian the other day – an Andrew Gilligan article called “Get a life Ally” – aimed at Alastair Campbell. You might want to add to it if it’s still open.

    On the press, I’ve got a page on Blair’s feral beast speech. Don’t know if you’ve read it, but it’s here:

    http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2007/06/14/blair-blasts-the-feral-beast-press/

    Thanks for your comments, Karen. Keep coming back, and let any other sensible people know it’s here – in case I decide to fold it soon.

    All the best to you.

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