Wilders Video – Strife laden?

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• The Quilliam Foundation – a Muslim counter-extremism think tank

Other posts on Wilders/Ahmed/Free Speech:

• Poll to Reverse Geert Wilders Ban AND to Protect Free Speech
• Draft letter to Home Secretary, Foreign Secretary, & Brown, the Excuse for a PM
• Ahmed came first for the Dutch, then the Jews over Gaza. And the Press were mute…
• Islam going Dutch, European, American
• Wilders charged over Fitna: Is this The End or Just the Beginning?
  

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Update – 14th April, 2008

Lebanon has called for a dialogue with Geert Wilders following the Fitna video. Well, that’s a start.

Lebanon’s high-ranking Shiite Muslim cleric Sheikh Mohammed Hussien Fadlallah called for dialogue with Dutch politician Geert Wilders regarding his anti-Islam film “Fitna.”

“We are ready to enter into dialogue with the Dutch politicians, especially with Geert Wilders, to explain to them the understandings of Islam and the Koran regarding violence,” Fadlallah said.

And … Jihad Watch says – “Preeeeeee-cisely“ on the news that the Jihadist cleric Omar Bakri has said that Fitna – “could be a film by the Mujahideen”.

31st March, 2008 – UPDATE

LIVELEAK HAS FIXED ITS LITTLE ‘FITNA’ PROBLEM – WILDERS BACK ONLINE

“** 30/3/2008: Liveleak Update **

On the 28th of March LiveLeak.com was left with no other choice but to remove the film “fitna” from our servers following serious threats to our staff and their families. Since that time we have worked constantly on upgrading all security measures thus offering better protection for our staff and families. With these measures in place we have decided to once more make this video live on our site. We will not be pressured into censoring material which is legal and within our rules. We apologise for the removal and the delay in getting it back, but when you run a website you don’t consider that some people would be insecure enough to threaten our lives simply because they do not like the content of a video we neither produced nor endorsed but merely hosted. “

Nuff said.

UNBELIEVABLE … BUT TRUE!

UPDATE: Liveleak, the British video host who first broadcast this video has been forced to remove it.

“Following threats to our staff of a very serious nature, and some ill informed reports from certain corners of the British media that could directly lead to the harm of some of our staff, Liveleak.com has been left with no other choice but to remove Fitna from our servers.
This is a sad day for freedom of speech on the net but we have to place the safety and well being of our staff above all else. We would like to thank the thousands of people, from all backgrounds and religions, who gave us their support. They realised LiveLeak.com is a vehicle for many opinions and not just for the support of one.
Perhaps there is still hope that this situation may produce a discussion that could benefit and educate all of us as to how we can accept one anothers culture.
We stood for what we believe in, the ability to be heard, but in the end the price was too high.”

WHAT!? Reports from “certain corners of the British media”! I am ashamed, but not surprised, at my country’s media. The loudmouthed ignoramouses whose freedoms they say they so fondly cherish. The same media who crunched Blair’s reputation under their feet over the Honours fiasco, over “dodgy” dossiers, over Iraq. THEY should be thoroughly ashamed. They won’t be. THEY are the enemy within. Well, YouTube has not been cowed, YET. If you want to save this video just in case, download it to your hard drive. You can then upload it again to a web host like YouTube or Google.

They won’t silence all of us. Freedom of speech is ours too.

28th March, 2008

Wilders: “I believe we have been too tolerant of the intolerant. We should learn to become intolerant of the intolerant.”

Profile of Geert Wilders, Dutch MP

Note from this blog owner: I am as convinced as I can be that if I were Dutch I would not be voting for this man’s right-wing politics, BUT, in the interests of the free speech that permits the west to laugh at its own religions, that allows an English lawyer to call on Al Qaeda to kill a former British prime minister, and that turns away from the FACT that not everyone understands or complies with OUR western “tolerance”, here is the highly contentious Geert Wilders video, which has just been released.

WARNING – CONTAINS GRAPHIC SCENES OF VIOLENCE (Google Video)

[NOTE: The Wilders video can still be found on YouTube, but you need to sign up and verify your age first.]

[ASIDE: Today the British government has announced that it is applying "controls" to videos in order that we can censor what our children are watching. It should be noted that this cannot apply to online sharing sites such as YouTube. This video, when you search for it on YouTube, only asks that you confirm you are of an age to view it! Click "yes" and it's yours to view, download, distribute. And you can use any portions of it to re-mix a video and then re-post that version.

Control? Laughable. It's too late for that.]

Geert Wilders’ sin seems to be that he is criticising Islam itself and not the extreme political/religious fundamentalists who use their Holy Book as justification for murder. But we really cannot dodge around the issue as though others are with us on this separation. Many in the Islamic world DO take the Khoran at face value and as literally as many take the Garden of Eden story. The difference being that in Christian/Jewish writings we are not asked to “kill the infidel”.

I have no truck with religious/political hatred of any sort. But it will not be an easy task for Muslims to come up with an alternative movie showing that other religions ask for this kind of retribution on “non-believers”.

And it is also clear that it is from some in the Islamic faith that today’s terrorism emanates.

Moderate Muslims around the world owe the rest of us this:

• A re-visiting of the Khoran
• The expurgation and disowning of all references advocating death to others
• A re-establishment of their religion as holy, and not holy war

But I fear there isn’t much time. And as far as I understand Islam, there is no overall controlling decision-making body with the authority to question and alter their Holy Book.

Is it already too late?

Are we already intimidated to the extent that Wikipedia feels the need to write this on its website (now altered by some unknown hand. But you can see Wikipedia’s “fitna” explanation here).  Meanwhile the Dutch government dismisses Wilders’ film out of hand, and Wilders is under 24 hour protection. Why? For telling the truth.

Read excerpts from this German site:

‘Dutch far-right MP Geert Wilders made good on his promise to post his controversial film critical of Islam on the Internet Thursday, March 28, putting Holland on alert for retaliation attacks by incensed Muslims.

The Wilders film, titled “Fitna” [strife], made its debut via British video-sharing website Liveleak and soon spread to the globally popular YouTube site where it quickly generated heated debate among viewers and much divided opinion.

The Dutch government, fearful of reprisals similar to those which followed the reproduction across Europe of the cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed, pressured Wilders not to release the movie but to little effect.

“This film equates Islam with violence and we reject this interpretation,” said Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende. “The vast majority of Muslims reject extremism and violence. In fact the victims are often also Muslims”

Initial reactions from the Muslim community in the Netherlands were restrained. The evening after the film’s release passed without incident, in contrast to the unrest that swept the country following the murder by an Islamic militant in 2004 of film director Theo van Gogh, another Dutch artist who was accused of offending Islam.

Prime Minister Balkenende praised the efforts of his government to defuse Muslim anger in the months preceding the release of the film and welcomed the initial Muslim response. “The government is heartened by the initial restrained reactions of Dutch Muslim organizations,” he said. “The Dutch government stands for a society in which freedom and respect go hand in hand… Let us solve problems by working together.”‘

What do YOU think? Can we solve it together?

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REACTIONS TO THIS VIDEO’S POSTING ONLINE

• UN’s Secretary General Ban Ki-moon calls for calm. Excerpt:

28 March 2008 – Secretary-General today led a chorus of United Nations condemnation of the Internet broadcast of a video made by the Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders, describing it as “offensively anti-Islamic,” while he also called on those upset by the film to remain calm. In a statement issued by his spokesperson after last night’s airing of the film, entitled Fitna, Mr. Ban said “there is no justification for hate speech or incitement to violence. The right of free expression is not at stake here.

“I acknowledge the efforts of the Dutch Government to stop the broadcast of this film and appeal for calm to those understandably offended by it. Freedom must always be accompanied by social responsibility.”

• Britain blamed by Iran for hosting the video
• The Times article & comments
• The Guardian’s Collective Shrug – and other typical Dhimmitudisms. Written by this man.
• YouTube’s Posting Decision – Now You Don’t See It – Now You Do!
• The European Union condemns the film
• Freedom’s Zone – Defending free speech & tolerance, says “truth is often painful”
• CNN report – Wilders facing legal action
• Cranmer’s political blog – concern over free speech
• Read “The Absurd Report”
• Infidels Are Cool blog – lively commentary, and a Google version of the video
• American Thinker – “It is Islamic violence which threatens Holland and all of Europe”
• The Asian Tribune – The Council of Europe representing the Muslims in Europe as well as Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaath delegation in Sri Lanka condemns video. Excerpt:

“As the intention of this conspiracy is to defame the Holy Quran, Ahmadiyya delegation clearly explained to the Ambassador that any one who do such acts should fear for the punishment of God, who guarantees for the protection of this Holy Scripture – who is the One revealed this Holy Book to His Holy Prophet.”

GOOGLE HAS THE FULL VERSION OF THE WILDERS VIDEO AS ORIGINALLY SHOWN AT LIVELEAK UNTIL THE BRITISH PRESS AND THREATS FORCED ITS SHAMEFUL REMOVAL

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GEERT WILDERS SPEAKS ON THIS VIDEO – “IT’S FIVE MINUTES TO TWELVE”

POLL – POPULAR WITH PUBLIC, NOT WITH JOURNALISTS (HE’S OBVIOUSLY DOING SOMETHING CORRECT!)

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APOSTASY NOW

I referred to this in a reply to a commenter here at this page. Thought I should include it on the page itself. I don’t really know how anyone can complain about this sort of thing being shown, even if one is a Muslim who disagrees vehemently with it. It’s what is written in the Khoran, so it is part of Islamist theology. And fundamentalists will NOT deviate from that, and moderate Muslims have neither the power nor the will, it seems

Follow the links at the ‘Apostates of Islam’ site

This horrific video of people being stoned to death for adultery is indescribable in its atrocity against our fellow man. It’s unbelievably cruel. The people punishing them are worse than ANIMALS. Animals kill for food – to survive.

The people are wrapped in cloths, half buried and then, hearing only the baying of the crowds – “Allah, Allah is Great” – they are pelted with stones until their heads are turned to mush. It takes them some time to die, and some of them struggle to the end to release themselves. The pain must be excruciating.

My heart aches for them. And this evil is muslim upon muslim. It is not an invention of the west or anti-Islams. It happens. Perhaps now repeatedly in some Muslim lands as I write. If Islamic peoples embrace this theology so willingly and with such bloodlust against their own, what hope is there that they would do less against non-Muslims?

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A REMINDER to FELLOW BRITS: BRITISH MOSQUES PREACH HATE – DISPATCHES, UK

Green Lane Mosques, Birmingham, the centre for Wahabism, the most extreme form of Islamist extremism. This mosque is influenced by Saudi Arabian clerics, “since the 1980s”. You can hear all the ambitions of the jihadists here. As well as such as – “Hit your children … women are deficient … throw homosexuals off the mountains … marry a pre-pubescent child ‘as did Mohammed’ … dismantle British democracy … take over the country”.

A Saudi PLOT? Is THAT the (political) problem?

This film footage is not invented or misinterpreted. Just filmed.

Are these people all in custody now? What do YOU think?

A blog referring to this

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BUT WE’RE FIGHTING BACK

And now Iran is going to make their own video about Christianity. Ah well. Don’t waste your time. We’re used to it. We laugh at ourselves, and will disarm you for agreeing with you half the time! Sickening, isn’t it?

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/04/04/iranian_group_plans_counter-documentary/8626/

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