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- YouGov: Muslim Students Radicalised by Hizb ut-Tahrir – the group Blair wasn’t permitted to ban!
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- FBI says 20,000 terrorists in USA! WHAT!? We thought it was mainly Britain that was overrun!
- Suicide bombers – pregnant? Let’s see the autopsies
- Centre for Social Cohesion – Reports, July 27th – August 1st 2008
Comment at end
UPDATE – 31ST jULY, 2008
In the interests of balance I am adding this link. It questions the validity of the Centre for Social Cohesion think tank. It provides some links to back up its arguments. Please do your due diligence.
On the other hand, and until Muslims denounce a worldwide caliphate I will raise this awareness amongst my readers, take a look at this: “Islam set to become Russia’s primary religion in decades.”
27th July, 2008
BRITISH MUSLIM STUDENTS’ RADICAL VIEWS
Here follow the full results of the poll taken from British Muslim students in universities across the country.
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Islam on Campus: A survey of UK student opinions, by John Thorne and Hannah Stuart
The Centre for Social Cohesion EXECUTIVE SUMMARY Islam on Campus is the most comprehensive survey ever undertaken of Muslim student opinion in the UK, based on a specially commissioned YouGov poll of 1400 students, fieldwork and interviews. The report examines students’ attitudes on key issues including religious tolerance, gender equality and integration. While the majority of Muslim students’ support secularism and democratic values, are tolerant towards other groups and reject violence in the name of their faith, Islam on Campus has also uncovered significant findings.
Killing in the name of religion:
- Just under a third of Muslim students polled (32%) said killing in the name of religion can be justified – the majority of these said killing could be justified if the religion was under attack, and 4% of all respondents supported killing in order to promote and preserve that religion.
- 60% of active members of campus Islamic societies said killing in the name of religion can be justified. By contrast, only 2% of non-Muslims agreed.
Apostasy:
- Half (50%) of Muslim students polled said they would be unsupportive of a friend’s decision to leave Islam. A quarter (25%) said they would be supportive.
- Almost half (45%) of Muslim students polled said that apostates should be encouraged to reconsider their decision by Muslim elders and people that care about them.
- A minority (6%) said that apostates should be “punished in accordance with Sharia.”
Views on women:
- Almost a quarter (24%) of Muslim student respondents do not feel that men and women are fully equal in the eyes of Allah.
- Female students (38%) were also more likely than males (27%) to perceive inequitable treatment of men and women in their local communities. While 37% of male Muslim students felt men and women were treated equally, only 26% of females felt the same.
- The majority (89%) of Muslim students polled said that men and women should be treated equally, 5% said they should not and 6% were unsure.
- Nearly three fifths (59%) of Muslim students polled felt it was important to Islam that Muslim women wear the hijab.
- Active members of university Islamic societies (51%) were over twice as likely as non-members (25%) to agree that “women should wear the hijab – female modesty is an important part of Islam.”
Support for Sharia law in the UK and a worldwide Caliphate:
- Two fifths (40%) of Muslim students polled supported the introduction of Sharia into British law for Muslims.
- A third (33%) of Muslim students polled supported the introduction of a worldwide Caliphate based on Sharia law. A majority (58%) of active members of campus Islamic Societies supported this idea.
Islam as a political project:
- Over a sixth (15%) of respondents said that Islam as a religion and Islamism as a political ideology were part of the same thing, and that politics is a big part of Islam. A quarter of active members of campus Islamic Societies agreed.
- Over half of Muslim students polled (54%) were supportive of an Islamic political party to represent the views of Muslims at Parliament. By contrast, over half (61%) of non-Muslims poled were unsupportive.
Compatibility of Islam with secularism and democracy:
- Over two fifths (43%) of Muslim students polled said Islam was compatible with secularism. Almost three in ten (28%) said they were incompatible and a further 29% were unsure.
- Over two thirds of Muslim students polled (68%) said Islam and the Western notion of democracy were compatible, with older students (age 35-54) being more likely (78%) than younger students (age 18-35) (67%) to agree. Active members of campus Islamic Societies (84%) were more likely (64%) than non-members to support this idea.
- Over three quarters of respondents (78%) said that it was possible to be both British and Muslim equally. Female Muslim students (81%) were more likely than males (73%) to say it is possible to be both British and Muslim equally.
Isolation on Campus:
- 8% of Muslim students agree that “Most of my friends at university are Muslim because I have more in common with them than I do with non-Muslims”. However, this rises to 25% when active members of campus Islamic Societies are asked.
- 40% of Muslims said that they thought that it was unacceptable for Muslim men and women to mix freely.
Sectarianism:
- Nearly a third (30%) of non-Shia respondents agreed that minority Shia Muslims are not true believers in Islam, as compared to 15% of non-Sunni students who were hostile to the notion that majority Sunnis are true Muslims.
Attitudes towards homosexuals and Jews:
- A quarter (25%) of Muslim students polled said they had not very much or no respect at all for homosexuals, as opposed to 4% of non-Muslim students polled.
- Male Muslim students were the most likely to be intolerant of homosexuality: male Muslim respondents (32%) were much more likely than female Muslim respondents (19%) to have little or no respect for homosexuals. Amongst non-Muslims polled, the percentages of males and females saying the same were 4% and 3% respectively.
- Almost one in fifteen (7%) Muslim students polled said they had not very much or no respect at all for Jews. Four out of five (79%) Muslim students polled, however, said they respected Jews.
Iraq war has damaged Muslim respect for British government:
- Two thirds of Muslim students polled (66%) said they had lost respect for the British government because of the invasion of Iraq. Separately, 20% also said that their respect for British society as a whole had decreased.
- However, nearly a third (30%) of Muslim students polled said their respect for British society had increased based on the public’s (largely negative) reaction to the Iraq war.
- 57% of Muslim students polled said that British Muslim servicemen should be allowed to opt out of taking part in military operations in Muslim countries, compared to a large majority (71%) of non-Muslim respondents who said they should not.
Hostility towards Muslims:
- 9% of non-Muslims said they had “no very much or no respect at all” for Muslims. By comparison, only 4% did not respect homosexuals and 3 percent did not respect Jews.
- 76% of non-Muslims said that in their understanding of Islam men and women are not considered “equal in the eyes of Allah”.
- 9% of non-Muslims polled said that they thought that Muslim men and women were treated equally in their local communities.
- 50% of non-Muslims also said that they thought that Islam was “very or fairly” incompatible with democracy.
- Over half (55%) of non-Muslims polled said that Islam and the separation of religion and government were incompatible, while a fifth (20%) said that they were compatible.
MY THOUGHTS:
Some of these numbers are shocking though others are better than we might have expected. These, to my mind, are the most worrying:
1 Sixty percent of active members of Islamic student societies believe that killing in the name of religion can be justified. Only 2% of non-Muslims agreed with that.
The views of that 60% are completely unacceptable. You’re BRITISH! We don’t DO murder for religion!
2 Two thirds said that they had lost respect for the British government because of Iraq.
Interesting that! I think you might find an equivalent amount in the non-Muslim population who have lost respect for Islam because of their reaction to a government decision.
3 A third of Muslims students said their respect for British society had increased because the general public had a “largely negative” reaction to it! What? Who told them that? The press? Well, drop that faith in my society, folks. As quickly as I am losing it in you.
Ask again pollsters. I think you will find that the numbers today are different. Back, perhaps to the two thirds who DID understand what it was all about in 2003. Many now realise, as they did just as we went in, that it was necessary to be rid of Saddam AND that there is, and was a BIGGER enemy than just the Iraqi dictator.
4 Over half of Muslim students polled (54%) were supportive of an Islamic political party to represent the views of Muslims at Parliament. By contrast, over half (61%) of non-Muslims poled were unsupportive.
Tough to the 54%. In Britain we have NO political parties based on a religion, not even a political religion as Islam seems to be in some quarters.
5 Two fifths (40%) of Muslim students polled supported the introduction of Sharia into British law for Muslims.
Again – Forget it! Just forget it.
6 76% of non-Muslims said that in their understanding of Islam men and women are not considered “equal in the eyes of Allah”.
Well, surprise, surprise! And yet the women seem to go along with this! A good old dose of 1960’s feminism needed here, say I.
It seems that at Yale University there is a meeting to on Islam & Christianity to discuss “common ground”. I wonder if Mr Blair will be there in his capacity as a professor on Religion?
It would be lovely to think that this meeting could make a difference. Sadly I fear that they do not produce the same widespread positive results as the negative results Islamists achieve with their war on the west through the Internet and the seemingly insatiable Islamist Victim mindset.
Eye on The World blogspot says:
Days after the UN attacks the UK for how it treats Muslims
‘In the UK, there has been yet another survey amongst Muslims and Non Muslims (This time amongst so called liberal university students) in which to gauge just how compatible the young of today are with life in the modern world. The results (granted the sample size was only 1400 of which 700 were Muslims) while predictable appears to have shocked the media, the public and at the same time galvanised the faithful to play the victim card.
The irony here is that mere days after the UN human rights committee berated the United Kingdom on its media coverage of Islam. A survey at so called liberal learning centres show that the media is merely reporting the views of Islam as it is and not as how the Trojan horse in our midst wishes for us to perceive them.’
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August 4, 2008 at 11:03 am |
Why Centre for Social Cohesion fails to analyze the bigger picture and recommend appropriate solutions instead of spending energies on what
a disoriented lot boasts about to amateur surveyors?
Britain’s youth is increasingly affected by violent crime, depression, stress and drugs, a survey showed.
The poll of 1,000 16 to 24-year-olds shows they feel they are facing more personal and social problems than they were a year ago.
Key results of the study, conducted by Media Research in June, revealed 20% of males under 24 have been threatened with a knife or weapon and 47% of all participants said this has happened to someone they know; 11% have been asked to join a gang; 15% felt pressured into carrying a weapon and 27% know at least one person their age who carries a weapon; more than 50% feel the UK is less safe than a year ago and 78% do not feel safe walking the streets.
A majority of youngsters also said they feel they have to deal with these worries alone. Almost a quarter, 24%, said they felt they could never talk to their parents about their concerns, 8% have sought help in chat rooms and only 6% have sought professional help.
Almost two thirds said they feel the media misrepresents the issues facing young people.
The study also revealed young people are generally dissatisfied with life. Almost half (41%) said they are unhappy – girls more so than boys; 28% said they “wish they were someone else”; 63% think young people are more depressed now than ever before and 29% think young people in the UK have a tougher time than those in other countries.
If the Centre for Social Cohesion is serious about a positive contribution
to British youth let’s hear what solutions they could offer.
August 4, 2008 at 11:24 am |
Hi Jeffrey,
Your argument is, evidently, that the Centre for Social Cohesion (link here) has an agenda apart from “cohesion”. I am not here to defend their aims or purposes. But, if they are ONE organisation seeking to balance the views that have infiltrated our society that somehow it is British values, traditions and cultural liberalism that is causing fundamentalists of ANY religion/political ethos to push for change in our land, I AM ALL FOR THAT BALANCE.
It’s called hearing all sides of the argument. Free speech. And the Centre for Social Cohesion is surely permitted this in our own land, where immigrant religions/political creeds come here and turn around to bite the hand that feeds them. They can criticise, but they must never be allowed to change our liberal, tolerant way of life.
That does not infer that we must never alter our benchmarks to suit. They have not won if we say – “this far, and no further”.
There is a fallacious and puerile argument put by those whose attachment to the mantra of “Magna Carta for now and always” is disingenuous, imho. Magna Carta was used and abused over and over since the 13th century. It will be again.
Democracy in all its complex elements, is what counts.
I am sure there have always been unhappy, dissatisfied youngsters. That will always be an issue. They will grow up one day.
But, this new imported dissatisfaction is rife in a certain group. It is set up nicely for brainwashing.
August 17, 2008 at 6:03 pm |
They speak of war. They speak of extermination. They speak of conversion. Of death. Of remaking the world in their image.
Let them speak. Let their own words inspire a resistance and counter-attack to the Jihad. Let them bury their own graves with their hate.
I do not propose we reason with them. Those proposals have been made, and if they are successful, they are successful because of better men than myself.
I do not propose we come to terms with them. For to come to terms between civilization and barbarity is to leave yourself in the medieval world where one “comes to terms” with the conflicting arguments for the roundness and flatness of the planet.
I do not propose we convert them. For we can never be sure of their sincerity. Let those who wish to leave Islam do so on their own and by the efforts of better men than myself. I am not usually persuasive. Conversions are not my strong point. But now I must try, with all honesty, attempt to convert YOU. To convert you away from the notion of coexistence with Muslims. From the notion that they’re just like us, only “misguided”. That they just need some time to modernize. No, no no. Not from where I’m sitting.
Here’s what I do propose:
The goal of eliminating Islam from the planet, and to mete out harsh punishment to those who would resist that, be they Muslim or otherwise. I hope such an elimination be done peacefully. Event after event after event, after yet another mosque exposed to be radical, after another school of Islam justifying beheadings and violence, after more native French citizens raped by the Muslim thugs for no other reason than being “Infidels”… After all that, I hope in vain.
Therefore I propose an answer to the likes of Al-Queda, Hamas, and Hezbolla. I propose “converts” to Islam who will not just spy on the mosque activities, but those who will take the law into their own hands and punish the jihad encouragers physically. Outside and independently of the law, of the police. They will not help. Don’t count on them.
I propose the demolition of mosques. The psychological terrorism of Muslims in western countries. People describe them as immigrants, or converts, or potential threats. Here’s how I would decribe them: HOSTAGES. You, western Muslims, are surrounded by seas of infidels in many places of the world. I call upon those infidels to harshly use them as bargaining chips to win rights for Arab Christians and atheists and others under Islam’s cruel thumb. For Israel. And should the Mohameddan tribes fail to deliver, I call upon those infidels to make an example of what happens when you anger the Free World past a point of no return. When you declare a war of extermination on those who received you and helped you and gave you freedoms and opportunities unheard of in your “righteous” Islamic societies. When you declare that our mothers and sisters are indecent whores for exposing their hair. When you condemn terrorism in English and then applaud and promote it in Arabic.
I propose eliminating Muslims, one way or another, from Western countries. And afterwards, I propose taking the battle to Islamic countries. Just as they grow their jihads underground here, So you may fight your crusade under their noses there. Demolish mosques. Intimidate. Do what is necessary.
Fight battles you can win. Gather intelligence. Gather strength. Don’t go the route of the suicidal fanatic dying for his cause. As a famous military commander put it:
“DO NOT THINK BATTLES ARE WON BY DYING VALIANTLY FOR YOUR CAUSE, BUT BY MAKING THE OTHER BASTARD DIE FOR HIS.”
Make it happen. Exterminate this vile religion from the world. Without the help of the State. Don’t bother lobbying, going on the news, writing op-eds, and so on. Other people do so, and this article is not geared towards those. It is geared towards a more action-minded audience. Geared towards people who will do what is necessary to protect what is precious. Offend, insult, and demolish nothing but Islam. Be kind to Sikhs, even though they wear turbans and have beards. Accept and respect Hindus, atheists, agnostics, Jews, Christians, Jains, Buddhists, socialists, libertarians, conversatives, liberals, and so on. All but Muslim are welcome. All but Muslim are fully human.
Unless of course, you want your children and grandchildren to know nothing but the misery of Islam. Of regression. Of lies. Of intellectual and moral bankruptcy. Of a life decrepit and short and painful. For that is what Islam will bring. Don’t be fooled by their kindness. It is a mirage. Make them know that they are not welcome anywhere on the planet as long as they adhere to Islam.
If you feel that hurting Muslim feelings is too much, then don’t bother. Go ahead, defend Islam. Defend those who would kill you for failing to convert to their Religion of Peace.
August 17, 2008 at 10:54 pm |
Well, thanks for your comment, anon. I think!
I don’t know about this extreme position. And I mean that – I don’t know.
But it looks like WAR as you have written it here. War with MANY countries.
Certainly I am convinced that there is a much bigger, and creeping problem than many of us like to believe. But I find it hard to accept that ALL Muslims are killers who want a caliphate.
But I, as well as many others, have already urged them to get to work on their fundamentalists and on updating and modernising their “good books”. They seem to be unable to do this, even if willing, due to the nature of Islam.
I have often left comments at Islamic websites asking them to reassure us that they have no desire for a worldwide caliphate. So far, every time, I have had no replies. That tells me something.
Their books must be updated and clarified and moderate Muslims must disown ALL radical extremists in their midst. They must desist from this Sharia Law nonsense in western countries.
I will assure you of this, though: if this doesn’t happen soon, I will likely become MORE hardline in my opinion.
And I won’t care if some of my own family think that I am a little OTT on this. One or two of them already do!
All the best to you.