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29th December, 2008
ROBERT FISK & ‘THE INDEPENDENT’: ARE THEY LYING OVER BLAIR & THE ISRAELI ATTACKS ON GAZA? Or are they just plain useless in the dynamic world of journalism?
First of all I am sorry to have to infer that anyone is lying, even Mr Fisk. I do recognise that there are people of conscience who strongly believe Mr Blair was wrong about Iraq, and had all the wrong motives for supporting Bush.
BUT THIS STATEMENT, IN TODAY’S INDEPENDENT, IS RIDICULOUS! IT’S WORSE THAN THAT. IT’S OUTRAGEOUS!
“Not a whimper from Tony Blair, the peace envoy to the Middle East who’s never been to Gaza in his current incarnation. Not a bloody word.” (Read article here)
To say that we have heard nothing from Mr Blair is not only bending the truth, it is clearly changing the meaning of the word “truth”.
Mr Blair issued a statement at his website on Saturday, shortly after the Israelis started bombing Gaza. This statement was used in many outlets. So either Fisk has chosen to IGNORE that information, or he is LYING. I do not accept he had somehow missed it. If I can find this information without searching for it, why can’t Fisk? And the first place to look would have been Blair’s own website.
I have to conclude, therefore, that when it comes to Tony Blair, Mr Fisk seems to be a stranger to the truth. But then we have seen evidence of that many times in recent years in his charge … no, exclamation that Blair is a “war criminal”. Notwithstanding the obvious fact that no-one is ANY kind of criminal until they have been tried and convicted (odd how some forget that when it suits them, but scream about it over suspected terrorists) this is evidence of bad research, biased opinion-forming, and a less than honourable approach to journalism.
Fisk, like so many others of his ilk, have it in for Blair over Iraq. This yearning for his blood will embitter them, they should understand, far more than it will worry Mr Blair. They should get over it. Their little foot-stamping will never produce the results they desire.
And why do I get this other creeping suspicion?
This one – if Mr Blair had said at his website that “Hamas should stop the rocket attacks”, (without leaning equally heavily on Israel’s responsibilities over the present bombings), am I wrong to suspect that Mr Fisk would have noticed this kind of statement, and would have been scrabbling to be first with the news?
Rat up a drainpipe time? All claws scratching?
And the Independent itself surely holds some responsibility for not correcting Fisk’s words about “nothing from Blair”. Didn’t anyone notice? Or are they all too busy colouring in their ViewsPaper with captivating pictures to notice the FACTS?
I sent this comment to The Independent, where Fisk’s misleading article appeared. It was rejected several times. So, I ensured that there were no URLs in it and tried again. Still rejected. So I have to conclude that my e-mail address has been blocked by the independent Independent.
Wonder why?
Free speech?
And independence?
Both of those died at the Independent when Mr Blair picked out that “ViewsPaper” as typifying the “feral beast” press, out to destroy people’s reputations. I recall that I actually had the gall to criticise The Independent here at this blog prior to Mr Blair’s speech. So I wasn’t their typical friendly commenter anyway. Much as I often cringe at the Guardian’s odd commenters at CIF, at least that paper still publishes comments from such as me. Well they did last time I looked.
I suppose it is a badge of honour that I have now been blacklisted by papers of the Left and the Right. The Daily Mail too has never published any of my comments. Excuse me while I polish that badge.
But I will continue to refer to these papers – (online of course – wouldn’t BUY a copy) – and their tap-tap-tapping mixture of works of fact, faction, and fiction. They are both, now and again, useful sources. If only to let people see how far down the road we have gone from anything approaching that old indefinable chestnut, common sense.
Here is the comment I posted at Fisk’s rant at the Independent today (on the 2nd attempt I removed the url link). 266 others have managed to get published. Why not my comment, even without a url?
Mr Fisk.
Do you ever read anything you haven’t written yourself? On Saturday Tony Blair issued a statement calling for BOTH sides to cease the attacks. I know you think Hamas’s daily attacks on Israel don’t count as attacks because they don’t usually kill, just terrorise. If, say, Wales threw rockets into England for months on end, years even, England would of course just ignore it?
Israel has attacked Hamas in Gaza in order to make them stop the incessant rocket attacks into southern Israel.
There’s a link to Mr Blair’s website with this information at my site.
http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/12/28/tony-blairs-call-to-both-sides-calm-tahdiya-new-strategy-for-gaza/
Go on – surprise me. Publish this.
Tags: dynamic journalism, Gaza, Independent, Israeli attacks, lies and the newspapers, more lies about Tony Blair, not a whimper from Tony Blair, papers' agendas, Robert Fisk
January 11, 2009 at 2:31 pm |
Israel’s history was based in terrorim against your people. They have since never given up the desire for war and domination. Everyhing they do is contrary to peace or anyone desiring peace. Carefully look at their history and you will see that the demographic bomb which scares them, has been responded to by Israel with the slow genocide these authors talk about. Even now, with the number of civilian killings (mostly children) this past 17 days has a been another attempt to to neutralize numbers. For the next two years or so, the Jews will produce as many as the Palestinians now. In two years, I say less, the ethnic cleansing machine will turn to genocide mode and on…and on…and on… A true “iron fist” policy. Long live Palestine and it shall be free of occupation. It took you over 1500 years. It will take us less.
January 11, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Oh, you are funny, farzad. Your source for this historical inexactitude (over 1500 years!)? You’re pretty good at providing sources from today’s Guardian writers, those who ASPIRE to be the history writers. Are you just as meticulous at providing sources which historically prove your point? I doubt it. Because, as we all know, the history is complex, goes back at least 2,000 years, and can be argued both ways. I have recently seen an Arab writer speak out against the Palestinian/Hamas case. I think one of the other commenters may have left a link for this.
All this proves is that not everyone agrees. So what’s new?
You and I will NEVER agree on this, farzad. I am not happy with people dying in Gaza. I don’t know anyone who is. But I am equally sure that we should not ONLY judge all the political case on the Gazan deaths and some conception of their colonialist/expansionist ambitions. We have ignored for years Israel’s position, under attack by people who, clearly, think ISRAELIS should once again be the subjects of genocide.
This is the issue. Whether or not Israel has a right to exist.
I think it does. You think it doesn’t.
January 11, 2009 at 2:37 pm |
Read truth in the eyes of this Israeli beholder…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine
January 11, 2009 at 3:30 pm |
To think that Socrates died so that morally deprived people can maybe reason and no say that truth is relative. He died in vain since many are morally deprived and lack reason. I can understand beauty as epistemically relative, but truth?
It is an Israeli attitude noneheless. I have witnessed all my life the misinformation that Israel does to mold morally depraved and critically challenged minds around the world.
But there is one good thing coming out of this round of Israeli genocide and ethnic cleansing. Just a few years back, the web and the media were infested with sites and news casts organized by the critically and morally deprived individuals, who see truth as relative. But today the tide is changing against Israeli apartheid. You can hear courgeous voices who talk about child snipers and genocide.
Hear the relative truth from a former Israeli EDUCATION minister who decided that one day she will wake up and turn her conscience on. Maybe you should too. She is a member of the Kinnesset as well. Shulamit Aloni. Read her “relative” truh.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3650771,00.html
January 11, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Some things are, it seems, difficult for you to grasp, farzad, unless spelled out.
My comment on “truth” was simply that people in the Middle East have different versions of what “truth” is. It’s complex and you fail to recognise this.
This has nothing to do with Socrates – just politics. I notice that when people’s arguments are laid low by the facts they like to call on some higher plain – philosophers, even God.
Claiming the high moral ground doesn’t work if you think the Israelis should be wiped out.
And I notice you haven’t answered that one.
Please do, before I waste any more time responding to you.
Btw, I am not morally deprived, at least not by MY country’s standards. I have plenty of morals, thanks very much.
I think you meant “depraved” – but I’m not that either.
January 11, 2009 at 3:38 pm |
Dear Mr. Keeptonyblairpm,
Maybe I am historically incorrect here too. But we are under occupation. WHat are we to do? Watch you? Israelis are killed and Ishare the same sentiment you share about dead Palestinians here. But we are under occupation recognized by Israel itself under U.N. resolutions. What of the right to self-defence. It drops all of a sudden. Read my bit on the nnexation of Israel by Hamas. I guess you did. But as I suspected you will not be able to imagine. I guess it is moral depravity, or maybe just lack of imagination. Who can accept occupation and not retaliate. Israel has illegal colonies under U.N. laws, but they live under divine law. I guess. Hashem or Yahweh I guess told them so in Deuteronomy 7.2 Herem. Don’t let anything that lives on the holy land breath. cleanse it. Ethnically that is.
cheers,
January 11, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Well, looks like it all comes back to the question of Israel’s right to exist, AGAIN. Doesn’t it, farzad?
Is lobbing rockets into Israel “self-defence”, with no concern as to who they kill or injure? Some of us see that as aggression. If your “government”, Hamas, was made up of decent people they would have been willing to DEAL with the international community on this. And yes, willing to talk to Israel. But they chose to behave like third rate criminals and were ostracised by others. Even others in the Arab world. That’s YOUR Gazan government.
Don’t know how they thought it was all going to pan out in the end.
Do you really want to go quoting biblical invocations at me? Here? Where I have plenty of sources to point to regarding Sharia. Quotes that make the blood run cold?
Glass houses.
January 11, 2009 at 6:03 pm |
You talk of Israel’s right to exist as if the Palestinians are non-humans. What of their right to self-determination? Their right to exist without Nazi-like occuaption? What about their right not to have walls built around them, on their internationally recognized land? Only Israel gets the right to exist. What about the right of Palestinoians, in Gaza, west bank and other OCCUPIED territories, does not that preced Israel’s righ to exist. Is is scary you talk about it’s right to exist when it already exists. Or does Israel need to garner consent about it’s horrible occupation so they keep raising questions about it’s existence. You really need to read my response which you claim to have read. Or you are just intentionally igonrant of some primary issues.
January 11, 2009 at 6:14 pm
farzad -I don’t mean to be rude but I have no time to waste on you right now.
We will never agree on any of this.
So you can continue to think that I am an evil zionist, if it keeps you happily poised on your moral high ground.
I know the truth, and so will anyone reading this blog.