- Yes, the black border’s getting thicker
Comment at end
UPDATE, 3rd August: “Death of David Kelly questions to be raised at Iraq Inquiry, says The Mail. Hmmm…mmm… haven’t we already investigated this? Or was that another “WHITEWASH”?
13th July, 2009
NOTE: Whenever I spot a news item or article that I consider prejudicial to the seeking of TRUTH and to the acceptance of the outcome of the upcoming Iraq Inquiry I will add another “Day”. Today my fire is not directed at the press, apart from obliquely for their inadequate reporting. It is another scribbler in my firing line. An anti-Iraq war Liberal Democrat with a book to sell and the (un)lucky 13 doctors on his side.
Norman Baker, MP has been reported (and thus supported) by The Mail on Sunday and The Guardian and The Independent and The Telegraph and Sky and the BBC as well as numerous know-all sprog bloggers.
Mr Baker and friends are reportedly calling for a second Inquiry into the death of Dr David Kelly. So nothing new there, then.
- The Hutton Inquiry into Dr David Kelly’s death on 17th July 2003 left some unsatisfied with its “suicide” conclusion. Most of these, co-incidentally of course, were also in principle against the Iraq war.
Hutton Inquiry (Aug 2003 -Jan 2004) into Kelly’s death “No whitewash”.
This time the call is for a Coroner’s Inquest. Clearly unhappy with the outcome of the Hutton Inquiry their aim is to add to the polluted waters of the Iraq Inquiry even before it has started.
They can hardly expect a NEW Inquiry to be launched right now just as the Iraq Inquiry is about to get underway. The potential for conflicts are evident to all. Why not to Baker and his doctors?
Why not? Because their aim is NOT a new inquiry. Their “medical evidence” call is NOT new.
PUT SIMPLY – THEIR AIM IS TO DISCREDIT THE IRAQ INQUIRY AND THE MAIN WITNESS, TONY BLAIR, BEFORE IT EVEN BEGINS
These 13 doctors and Baker mention medical opinion to give credibility, respect and authority to their opinions. But this opinion is NOT new and has been disputed. In fact it’s five years old. But for some reason this is the time to dig it all up again.
One doctor named by Sky, trauma specialist David Halpin has, like Norman Baker, been on this “case” for years.
Oxfordshire’s coroner, in March 2004, ruled that the inquest into the death of the Government weapons expert Dr David Kelly is not to be reconvened. Excerpt from 123 People:
‘Nicholas Gardiner, said at a special hearing that there were no exceptional circumstances to justify reconvening the inquest into Dr Kelly’s suicide last July.
His ruling follows a representation from Jeremy Gompertz, QC, representing Dr Kelly’s family, who told the coroner that in the view of the family there were no exceptional reasons to justify such a move.
Mr Gardiner said although he had received correspondence from medical experts, including forensic pathologists, even a full inquest would yield differences in opinion.
“It is not exceptional for experts to disagree among themselves, in fact, it would be exceptional if they were to all agree,” he said.’
No complete list of all these medical people is available yet, but when I find one, I’ll check them out. What’s the betting they are mostly Liberal Democrat anti-Iraq war colleagues of Norman Baker? The MP who spends so much of his time looking out for his constituents … another nail in the Blair coffin.
THIS INPUT OF “OPINION” (learned or not) PREJUDICES THE OUTCOME & REPERCUSSIONS OF …
THE SMEARING OF THE TRIAL … IRAQ INQUIRY
We can expect more simplistic “opinion” & “facts” like this as the Iraq Inquiry approaches. Ponder as to what it does to public opinion, especially as in ALL of the present press reports it is incomplete and frankly misleading.
We are presented with a fait-accompli by the news that Thirteen Doctors have agreed that Dr David Kelly could not have committed suicide.
But life is stranger than fiction.
WARNING
If you want to act as judge and jury on Mr Blair you need to know ALL the background to Dr Kelly.
AND YOU PROBABLY DON’T, and probably never will.
I am not attempting to besmirch Dr Kelly’s name in any way here. But a little research – (RESEARCH – remember that, investigative journalists?) – uncovers more than we may have been led to believe, and not all to the conspiracy theorists’ liking.
DR KELLY’S BACKGROUND RAISES MORE QUESIONS THAN ANSWERS
For instance -
Who is Mai Pederson? (A search on her name brings up over a million returns on Google. But a seach on Wikipedia comes up with no dedicated page for her, just this link to a David Kelly entry.)
Even The Mail reported on her and Dr Kelly on 23rd October 2007. Oddly none of the usual crowd at The Mail wanted to comment or seemed to want to comment on this story at the heavily censored Mail Moderation House of Sort of Free Speech and Misinformation. Dressed up as a Hutton Inquiry transcript inexactitude (which it may well have been), this Mail article raised more questions than it answers.
From the Mail, and pasted here as is -
Uncorrected to this day, the transcripts of the Hutton Inquiry still refer to a mysterious figure called Mike Peddison, mentioned in the testimony of David Kelly‘s wife Janice as a family friend.
In fact, the transcribers misheard the name.
Mrs Kelly was talking about Mai Pederson ? a bellydancing US Army sergeant who, according to both her ex-husbands, is a spy with an astonishing ability to bewitch men.
Charismatic and exotic, Ms Pederson was an Arab-American linguist whom David Kelly met in Iraq in 1998.
Jim Pederson, her former husband, suggests getting to know Dr Kelly was part of an official assignment.
“She undoubtedly viewed him as an intelligence source,” he said.
Whether or not this was her motive, the two became close.
She introduced Dr Kelly to the Baha’i faith, which teaches respect for life ? and expressly forbids suicide.
On his frequent trips to the U.S., Dr Kelly crossed from New York to California, where Ms Pederson was stationed, whenever he could. It was a long way to go just to say hello.
KELLY AND THE KUWAITI SPY
So was Dr Kelly close friends with a CIA/American Military Intelligence SPY? She is also a Kuwaiti national. Was/is she a double agent?
Could it be that the Bahá’í convert Dr Kelly was taken in by this Bahá’í woman who converted him? Did he realise this too late? Was his fear of being found dead in the woods NOT a fear of the British/American governments’ heavies but of another organisation/state/country? (Note that the dates do NOT tie up regarding a meeting attributed to the relevance of Kelly’s “woods” quote. Not that Baker would ever allow such a little inconsistency to interfere with his selling of his conspiracy theory tome. In fact this will only strengthen his theory.)
There is suggestion, as below, of an even more intriguing question. Was there another hidden agenda via Bahá’í? The peace-loving religion, normally anti-war, refused to come out with anti statements in the case of the Iraq war. It MAY, just may have had political resaons for this.
As Kelly himself said “there are many dark actors playing games”.
This Xymphora article, while ‘KNOWING’ that the British/American governments were up to no good, nonetheless has a fuller expose of Dr Kelly’s association with Ms Pederson, and some thoughts on Bahá’í.
Excerpt (some of his links “cannot be found” – CONSPIRACY, no doubt!):
“Religion drives men mad, and it has driven some of the leaders of Bahá’í mad, leading to the creation of Bahá’í fundamentalism (see here; and here, which shows how Bahá’í exhibits the main characteristics of modern religious fundamentalism; and here). The strict tenets of the religion are enforced by shunning those who don’t conform, who are known as ‘covenant-breakers’. The fundamentalists control the supreme governing body of Bahá’í, the Universal House of Justice (UHJ) in Haifa, Israel, and believe that decisions of the UHJ are infallible. The combination of shunning and infallibility creates total centralized control over the tenets of the religion. Despite what seem to be the tenets of the faith, the National Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá’ís of the United Kingdom officially came out with a policy that members of the faith should take no position on the war on Iraq, i. e., they should not oppose it, even though Bahá’í officially advocates non-military resolution of conflicts and the supremacy of the United Nations. Fundamentalism seems to be slowly killing the religion, as people become disillusioned on finding that this nice liberal religion is led by the same type of crazies who lead all the other religions.
[...]
Mai Pederson is a U.S. Army linguist and, despite what she might claim, an American spy. She has hired a lawyer, Mark Zaid, who specializes in intelligence matters. She has not allowed her unsworn statement to the Hutton inquiry to be released, and has, for all intents and purposes, gone into hiding. She and Kelly worked together in Iraq, at a time when the Americans weren’t supposed to have spies in the UN team. She converted Kelly to Bahá’í, and the conversion took place near the Defence Language Institute in Monterey, California, a Pentagon foreign language and espionage school. It was completely unnecessary for Kelly to go to California for the conversion. Pederson’s husband describes her:
“Part of her military training was to cultivate anyone who might be able to help her in her intelligence work. It may well have been why she zeroed in on Dr Kelly. She undoubtedly viewed him as a potential intelligence source. The two things that obsessed her were the military and the Bahai faith.”
The writer at Xymphora concludes that Dr Kelly was killed, though he doesn’t say by whom. Not exactly.
- Kelly was murdered either because he was regarded as a traitor by someone in the MoD or British Intelligence, or because the Americans feared he would disclose the intelligence nature of the relationship with Pederson and that the information he was being given was Pentagon lies intended to influence British government opinion; and
- the bottom line is that David Kelly is dead because he somehow fouled up or threatened to foul up the secret line of communications between American military intelligence to the British government whereby lies, not just those involving Iraq, are fed to the British government to influence British actions along lines favorable to the Pentagon.
Give me strength.
LIKE THE MAIL, NORMAN BAKER DOESN’T NEED TO MENTION THE IRAQ INQUIRY TO AFFECT IT
On 20th October 2007, the Mail (yes THEM again), published this from Norman Baker’s book – “Why I know Kelly was murdered”.
All of the above suggest that any re-running of the Hutton Inquiry at the upcoming Iraq Inquiry MUST NOT be permitted. As an example of how long the Iraq Inquiry is likely to take if all of the Kelly information is regurgitated in a new effort to secure a different outcome to Hutton and/or a REAL trial for Blair, take a look at the evidence of only one witness – here – Olivia Marriott Bosch, Senior Research Fellow at the Royal Institute of International Affairs, Chatham House. She was an UNSCOM inspector in the summer of 1996 for destruction mission for the biological weapons facility at al-Hakim. She knew and worked with Dr Kelly and was aware of his unhappiness at the line of questioning of an ‘unnamed journalist’.
You can almost bet that Mr Baker, the Sherlock Holmes of British political accountability, will spend his summer compiling his own dossier.
THE DAILY MAIL’S ALL-PERVASIVE HATE TACTICS
ADDENDUM: Just to show how rumour and opinion prermeates the public psyche and grows exponentially, take a look at this excerpt from The Daily Mail:
“The developments come as investigative journalist Bob Coen prepares to screen a 90-minute documentary, Anthrax War, in London on the sixth anniversary of Dr Kelly’s death, this Friday.
The film claims that Dr Kelly’s death may have been linked to the secret world of germ warfare research.
Until his death Dr Kelly was privy to some of the state’s most sensitive information and worked closely with the intelligence services of all the major industrialised countries.
Among notable claims in the film, which was made over four years, is Dr Kelly’s connection with Dr Walter Basson, whose work for the South African apartheid regime used chemical and biological weapons research destined for extrajudicial execution, and whose goals included ethnic cleansing.
The film also suggests that Dr Kelly was preparing to write a book that would have breached the Official Secrets Act.”
SO, THERE YOU ARE THEN. Just another reason to make the British press feel no sympathy or empathy for Blair’s position if … when they find Blair guilty of EVERYTHING, even if/when the Iraq Inquiry clears him of any wrongdoing.
On October 23rd 2007 David Aaronovitch in his article “A most peculiar theory about Dr David Kelly” has this suggestion for Norman Baker:
“But there is a way to settle this. Since the fearless Mr Baker believes it is impossible to die in the way Dr Kelly is supposed to have done, then he should be able to meet the simple challenge of himself taking 29 co-proxamol tablets and then slitting his left ulnar artery. Unless, of course, he secretly suspects that the next day Nick Clegg or Chris Huhne would find themselves looking for a new Shadow to the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster.”
RELATED
Blair ‘TRIAL’ posts
REPORTAGE
- The seriously unstable Guardian CIF-ers are at their hanging and flogging again at Jonathan Steele’s article, June 15th as word of the Iraq Inquiry broke
- Belfast Telegraph – Kelly’s “anthrax war film”
- Bruce Anderson on Brown’s responsibilty for troops’ death
- Paddy Ashdown’s letter to Brown & Rice
BAHAI
THE BLOGGERS
(SPROG BLOGS COPY AND PASTE JOBS)
- An InfoWars commenter works himself up from just jailing Bush & Blair to “hanging them.”
- Every conspiracy going can be found here at Prison Planet. From Kelly’s “murder” to swine flu, from 9/11 to 7/7, from the Illuminati to the New World Order. Sad, isn’t it?
- And more “we all knowers” at WarDogBlog
- And to the ‘Daily Kos’ – the answer is “NO” (to both). Pay attention to your commenter here, Daily Kos: ” Dr Andrew Wakefield was joined by 12 others in claiming that the MMR vaccine caused autism. 13 doctors having suspicions is not a firm evidential basis for anything. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.”
- ‘Here’s George’ makes the link clear (in case you didn’t realise it) between those who believe Iraq was an “illegal war” and those who believe Kelly was “suicided”: “The report by the group of doctors setting out their rejection of the theory that Dr Kelly died of a haemorrhage will also be sent to Sir John Chilcot’s forthcoming inquiry into the Iraq conflict. Hopefully the Chilcot Inquiry will find that this was an unlawful war, ultimately leading to the indictment of Tony Blair and George W Bush as war criminals.”
BBC “CONSPIRACY FILES” BROADCAST
This BBC TV programme covered the question of Dr Kelly’s death. It agreed that the suicide conclusion WAS accurate. If there was any chance of murder, the only possibilities they found were NOT that it was British/American inspired but that he may have been killed by Iraqis, who had already made threatening noises. His widow was perfectly reconciled to the suicide conclusion.
BBC Conspiracy Files 30 june 2009 – here and watch programme review here
Last word to Dr Kelly’s family on Norman Baker’s theories:
On 19 May 2006 Norman Baker, Liberal Democrat MP for Lewes, who had previously investigated the Hinduja affair, which led to the resignation of government minister Peter Mandelson, announced that he had been investigating “unanswered questions” from the official inquiry into Kelly’s death.[31] He later announced that he had uncovered evidence to show that Kelly did not die from natural causes.[32] In July 2006, Baker claimed that his hard drive had been wiped remotely.[33] Baker’s book The Strange Death of David Kelly was serialised in the Daily Mail before publication in November 2007.
Family members of David Kelly expressed their displeasure at forthcoming publication, the husband of Kelly’s sister Sarah saying, “It is just raking over old bones … I can’t speak for the whole family, but I’ve read it all [Baker's theories], every word, and I don’t believe it.”[34]
In his book Baker argued that Kelly did not commit suicide and examined the many unanswered questions that surrounded the incident. Baker examined the evidence and uncovered omissions and inconsistencies that cast doubt on the Hutton inquiry’s conclusions. While Baker hinted at a cover-up involving Thames Valley Police, who carried out the official investigation into Kelly’s death, he also provided what he considered a plausible explanation to treat Kelly’s death as suicide.[35]
RELATED
21st July. This site mentions the latest conspiracy theory – it wasn’t Blair wot dunnit, but the Global Conspirators in the White House.
So that’s all right then. Tony’s off the hook!
Tags: Bahai religion, Bahá'í, Dr David Kelly, Mai Pederson, Norman Baker, the trial of tony blair
July 14, 2009 at 5:25 pm |
One hardly knows where to begin with the false accusations made against the Baha’i Faith in this article, particularly given that the internet sources pointed to for evidence of “fundamentalism” are written by disaffected Baha’is whose own animus against their former belief is in large part due to their own behavior and psychological makeup. They are at war with their own spiritual past.
The statement above “the Baha’i faith, which teaches respect for life ? and expressly forbids suicide” seems to question whether Baha’is respect life. Not only does the Baha’i Faith – as do all religions – teach the golden rule, it explicitly prohibits murder, manslaughter, suicide, and euthanasia; it calls upon Baha’is to love their neighbor and not regard any economic, class, racial or other factor to interfere with the quest for freely agreed unity of thought and action in all our undertakings. Unity is arrived at through consultation, not through compulsion.
The Baha’is had no “political motives” in the Iraq War. Most Baha’is probably thought it a singularly bad move, but the Baha’i community and institutions do not take sides in inter-national conflicts. Yet the Baha’is act and speak on the principles that should become the foundation of international agreement.
Dr. Kelly, though a Baha’i, could easily have committed suicide. Baha’is may act in contravention of their faith under stress, just as Christians and others sometimes do. This doesn’t have to be laid at the feet of Mai Pederson or the Baha’i Faith. Large conspiracies are unnecessary to find motivations for Dr. Kelly to be despondent. His personal integrity was, after all, under attack.
I suggest that those interested in learning more go to http://www.bahai.org, http://www.baha.us and http://www.bahaullah.org. Of course, if this blog is being prepared by someone already inimical to the Baha’i community, my comments will not be posted or will be negated in a response from the blogger. In the midst of this, the spiritual depth of the Baha’i teachings and the inspiring story of Baha’u'llah will not be communicated. That would be a loss to all readers.
July 14, 2009 at 6:49 pm |
Hello Will,
Apologies if my copying of someone else’s thoughts upset you. I didn’t mean to imply that the Baha’i community are all evil people. Though we need to be able to take that kind of swipe in our free speech stride today.
Christians and Muslims are often described as “evil” and we all just need to get on with it. It’s probably better than NOT being noticed.
All I was attempting to show is that there could be all sorts of organisations involved in ALL sorts of conspiracies in the world of “conspiracy fanatics”.
Personally I do accept that Dr Kelly committed suicide. I take that stance guided by his own family’s belief that this was the case. WHY he did so, I have no idea, of course. That doesn’t mean he must have been murdered.
It may have been guilt at feeling he had placed the British government in an uncomfortable spotlight over the dossier business. He was not a professional upfront politician or civil servant able to deal with an aggressive press. It may even have been something linked with the woman name above. I have no idea.
But what I’ve been trying to do recently at this site is to say that Tony Blair is not the ‘devil incarnate’ just because some people believe he “lied” over WMDs or because of Iraq or because some think the Hutton Inquiry was limited in order to be able to be fixed.
We have the Iraq Inquiry soon in Britain and I wanted to illustrate how anyone or any organisation can be tainted beyond repair if one has a mind to do so. And the press here, for political reasons usually, have a mind to persuade the British public that whatever the Iraq Inquiry concludes, Blair is guilty (of something), thus all the “Ah-hah!” examples they consistently come up with, invented or by association.
The Daily Mail, which takes great pride in walloping Blair (it’s a Conservative supporting paper) has now thrown into the mix Dr Kelly’s “germ warfare” book/film, which of course he never finished. They are suggesting that he may have been killed because he was about to breach the Official Secrets Act.
The government can lay an injunction on such a publication or breach. The British goverment have NEVER killed someone over it! (over anything as far as we know!)
The Mail doesn’t mention that, though they know it. It prefers to give us just one more reason to hang out Blair to dry.
I hope this is not seen as negating your comments.
July 15, 2009 at 11:44 pm |
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July 15, 2009 at 11:48 pm |
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July 16, 2009 at 6:22 pm |
There are some issues in your arguments about Doctor Kelly which I am unqualified to comment on. However, on the basis of your totally ill informed information on the Baha’i Faith I can only suspect that your entire piece is equally badly researched.
July 16, 2009 at 7:06 pm |
Assume whatever you like, Mr Brocklesby. There are a lot of assumptions being made in this world. You may also have read my reply to an earlier comment as regards the quotes I took from others re Bahai. On the other hand you may not have read them. I shouldn’t assume.
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