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Tony Blair asks at the Iraq Inquiry: “Who is killing them?”

January 31, 2010
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    31st January, 2010

    THE TALES OF A WANDERING BLAIR SUPPORTER ON ‘JAIL TONY DAY’

    This follows on from the previous post reporting on my personal experiences at Friday’s Iraq Inquiry -  also known as  The Inquisition, aka The Trial of the Century, aka “He said WHAT?

    When I got back to the QEII centre at around 12:30pm, I met up with a friend and caught up with the morning’s events. “The boy dun good” etc. But of course.

    The ranters outside were still ranting, and the British bobbies still being polite as ever. The anti-war coalition were megaphoning their repeated noises about Blair having got to the venue before them and about his being “afraid to face” them.  Presumably he was worried that the hordes of armed and unarmed police would have been too few to stop such as the woman who naïvely hoped to arrest him, egged on no doubt by the irresponsible call of one George Monbiot.


    When the young man in the picture above had finished painting his hands, put his mask back on and climbed back into his cage I had a question for him on his list of ‘LIES’, one of which was missing.


    His list of “LIES”. Where was Number 2, and what did it say? Rather unconvincingly one of his colleagues proffered, to the agreeing laughter of those around, “IT’S ALL LIES”.






    “IT’S ALL LIES”? To use an overused word,  I think that is a lie.

    ‘It’s ALL Lies’ would have been number 1 or more likely number 6.  I never found out what “LIE No. 2″ was, and I was interested really. No, really, I was.  I mean it might have been another dreadful lie … like, say, promising to bring democracy to Iraq.  So,  in the end I had to tell these sorry individuals that they were the biggest liars of all.  A pity, since half of them were only there for something to do on a Friday and of course to see and hear the indefatigable Gorgeous George.


    TWO VIDEO CLIPS OF SECTIONS OF BLAIR’S AFTERNOON EVIDENCE

    1. Tony Blair: Iraqi death toll not our fault

    As I have mentioned here at this blog on many occasions – the KILLERS in Iraq are not the troops but the locals including imported Iranians and others.

    In this section Mr Blair referred to the fact that WE built up the Iraqi security forces. Any balanced individual whose thinking processes had not been skewed beyond rationality would at least be proud of this.

    WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY – REALLY?

    Agreeing we have responsibility he said “… but here is the point – let’s be quite clear that these people were prepared to kill any number of completely innocent people… we should be prepared to take these people on.”

    APPROACH TO PLANNING

    He disagreed that there was a “cavalier attitude to planning here in the UK”, saying what we planned for is what we thought was going to happen.

    Of course, this’ll be another stick with which to beat… etc.

    As a politician it seems you’re supposed to KNOW exactly what is going to happen in any and every given situation. So apart from being presentable, coherent and able to withstand the slings and arrows, being able to foretell the future should, indeed must be on your CV and application form.

    Case proven. He couldn’t read the future. String ‘im up. Next for the high-jump?

    Chilcot (?): “Good morning, Mr Brown …”

    2. Tony Blair: ‘I don’t regret removing Saddam Hussein’

    Winding up his evidence at the end of six hours, he was asked about broad lessons and if he had regrets. You may notice that Tony Blair chose NOT to apologise or even refer overtly to the relatives of the fallen who were sitting just behind him. This has been interpreted by some as his failure to care. It is nothing of the sort. Many times he has said that the deaths of our troops is with him every day, “as it should be” and that he will bear responsibility for the rest of his life.

    What more do the relatives of the dead from our volunteer army want? Blood? It looks like it to me.  Those who are preventing the bereaved from getting on with their lives in the way they should, proud of their fallen soldier, are behind this search for political blood. Gorgeous George, whose words will linger on the internet far longer than will his indefatigability.

    For Blair knew exactly what he was doing in refusing to turn, teary-eyed to the families behind him. Any suggestion that he “felt their pain” in that personal way would have been treated with derision, unless he had also sunk to his knees and begged their forgiveness through heaving sobs for his “crimes”. That was never going to happen.  So any such gesture was out of the question.

    There were other reasons for his failure to apologise in particular to the families whose eyes burnt into the back of his head for hours on endless hours, even though the chairman handed him that opportunity several times as proceedings closed.

    Firstly, and simply, without genuine anguish pouring from his lips and mingling with his tears, he would not have been believed.   No-one believes him anyway, so they tell us, so why bother?

    Secondly, the press would have taken any contrition as an admission of his “wrongdoing” and “guilt” and made more baleful hay.

    Thirdly, and perhaps he would not wish to express this himself, but could it be that he feels there has been too much made of the laying of “blame” for the deaths of soldiers? Perhaps he doesn’t feel like this at all. But some of us do.

    The British stiff upper lip wobbled some decades ago. Tennyson’s “Theirs not to reason why, theirs but to do and die” served us well fighting the enemy for centuries, when much of the time we had no idea if the enemy was real or a political figment. Perhaps it’s time we returned to that way of approaching the honourable profession of voluntary military service to our country.

    Tony Blair finished his evidence session at the Iraq inquiry by saying he had no regrets in removing Saddam Hussein.

    SORRY FOR THE DIVISIONS THE WAR CAUSED

    Responding to a question relating to the loss of soldiers’ lives since the conflict began, he told the inquiry: “In the end it was divisive and I am sorry about that. I tried my level best to bring people back together again.”

    He said he felt responsibility for the decision, and stressed that it was a decision, not a plot or a conspiracy. But he said he felt NO regret for removing Saddam Hussein.

    “I think that Saddam was a monster, I believe he threatened not just the region but the world… it was better to deal with this threat”.

    Times coverage and video clips of Sky’s highlights of the six hours

    Quote: ‘Tony Blair was heckled from the public gallery at the Iraq inquiry tonight as he wrapped up a dramatic day of testimony by declaring that he had no regrets about ousting Saddam Hussein.

    Sitting behind him during six hours of testimony were relatives of some of the 179 soldiers killed in the Iraq conflict – although many complained that Mr Blair had not even acknowledged their presence.

    This evening as he was wrapping up, one member of the audience shouted at him: “You’re a liar.” A second added: “And a murderer.”‘

    In my humble opinion history will not see him as either of those.


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    I was a witness (more or less) to the TRIAL of Tony Blair, aka the Iraq Inquiry

    January 30, 2010
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    ON A GREY DAY IN LONDON THE POLITICAL SUPERSTAR SHONE

    Unfortunately I didn’t get a ticket for the actual inquisition, interrogation, court witness hearing room, but in the Additional Viewing Facility downstairs, interestingly, if not co-incidentally named the Churchill Auditorium.

    I received a ticket to the 2:00pm session. We were all provided with a personally named and numbered sticker in order to permit us to watch the proceedings on a large screen.  The 700 seats allocated were not all taken. Many with tickets had obviously decided not to attend unless they could actually see the man in the flesh.  I had even considered that course of (in)action myself.  In the end I’m glad I went. I heard various estimates of the turn-out being between 450 and 550.  My guess is the upper end of that.

    Not a séance or boredom allowing him to nod off momentarily. But I didn't want to take too many pictures in case the shaking head tic tic ladies in front disapproved. (Tony Blair on-screen during the afternoon session of the Iraq Inquiry, 29th January, 2010.) If you use this picture, please link back to here. It's my camera, after all!

    CIVILISED BEHAVIOUR FROM THE LIBERAL TENDENCY

    The audience in this particular session were quiet, mostly middle-class, middle-aged and well-behaved. A little like a Liberal Democrat debate where policies are hammered out earnestly after much forensic detail in the full expectation that they will never have to be implemented.  I heard from someone who attended the morning session that in that earlier session in the Additional Viewing room one man stood up in disgust and loudly proclaimed that he couldn’t listen to “any more of this”. It seems he was told by others around to behave or go, so he exited.  Civilised behaviour requiring actual listening was clearly expecting too much.

    THE SHAKING-HEAD TIC

    Nothing like this happened, within my view in any case, at the afternoon session. But in front of me sat two grey-haired  ladies of the shaking-head tendency. I think there may have been a younger version of the same variety a few seats from me. From the ladies in front each head-shake was accompanied by a sigh, an exchange of knowing, raised eyebrow glances,  rolling eyes and a ‘tch-tch’, one in American English. WOW! They’ll come any distance to watch a good lynching of a western politician.  I spotted no foot-of-the-gallows knitting, though.

    ‘CHEERS’ SAID THE SOBER PANEL

    Even before the screen went live, we all knew it was about to start by the familiar clinking of glasses and some burbling, gurgling noises. No, the panel were not toasting the sudden croaking of their prize suspect witness before their eyes, thus conveniently robbing them of the need to find him “guilty/not guilty as charged/not charged.” They were pouring the customary glasses of water.

    And then HE arrived. Mr Blair made his entrance after several seconds of unknowable expectation and a searching sideways glance by the chairman – was he there? had he done a runner? He made his entrance, in his own time, aware as ever of impressions. HE was not awaiting the judges panel.  He looked smart as always in a dark blue suit and a dark red tie. He was serious, as was to be expected, possibly slightly apprehensive, as too would be expected. But I did not notice the shaking hands referred to by some reporting on the morning session. He was the lucid and eloquent Blair we all came to love/hate (delete as necessary) and seemed ready to take it all in his capable stride.

    There are several video clips online of sections of his entire day’s evidence sessions. All six hours of video and transcript are here at The Iraq Inquiry website. Don’t take my word for it, or the press’s choice clips.  Go there and see for yourself.

    [Aside: Can you imagine Saddam Hussein being expected to answer questions like this? Ahmadinejad, Putin or Russia's  present president? Mugabe? The Chinese leadership? Me neither. Although I do not agree with this fifth Inquiry in principle, because it will never satisfy the unsatisfiable, we should be proud that we have questioned our former Prime Minister in public like this and will even do so with the present prime minister before many weeks have passed. I'm quite keen on having the Conservative Party answer questions too, and the anti-Iraq war Liberal Democrats. Oh - and the press.]

    THE ‘CIVIL RIGHTS ROBBER’ ANSWERS FOR HIS DECISIONS

    Yesterday was about the top man in Britain at the time of the Iraq decisions answering questions for a whole day. I repeat – for that in this open, western democracy we should be extremely proud. It looks like Tony Blair did not quite manage, as has been suggested by civil righters, to wrap us all mute in a police state after all. (Tch…tch… knowing head shake, rolling eyes… another ‘failure’.)

    Former Prime Minister Tony Blair Friday Jan. 29, 2010 testifying to Britain's Iraq Inquiry. Blair said that Saddam Hussein didn't become a bigger threat after Sept. 11, but said his perception of the risk posed by terrorists acquiring weapons of mass destruction was dramatically changed by the attacks. (AP Photo/APTN) (AP)

    Picture above from the Washington Post

    When I first arrived at Westminster it was raining lightly.  A helicopter flew past Big Ben and hovered in various spots. This is only a few hundred yards/metres from the Queen Elizabeth II Centre.  It seems they were monitoring the millions, thousands … er hundred or two protestors who were bellowing to themselves “Tony Blair, go to Jail”. I know they were addressing one another because several policemen I asked said they weren’t listening. Those poor servants of peace and “Stop the War” demos were the only ones around in any number who were forced to hear.

    ‘Listening’… well, that’s another matter.

    Big Ben, 8:34am, 29th January 2010, as I arrived at the Iraq Inquiry for Tony Blair's evidence. For a moment I wondered if he was in the helicopter. But, no. It turned out he'd been at the venue already for more than an hour. You have to be up early ...

    ‘B.LIAR’ YELPED THE B***** LIARS

    So, through the light London drizzle I wandered across to the Queen Elizabeth II conference centre, which is opposite Westminster  Cathedral and a few hundred yards from the Palace of Westminster – The Houses of Parliament. The yellow-jacketed police were the first into my view. Then I heard the mega-phoned voices. Not until virtually standing opposite did I spot the Ban the Bombers, gathered to the left of the venue. My guess is at most two hundred, perhaps even half of that. Their banners and placards spread their presence in a distorted way, which is appropriate, given their distorted message.

    NO LYNCHING OPPORTUNITY HERE – NOTHING TO SEE – MOVE ON

    The barrier around the green stopped anyone without a ticket for the relevant session from entering the entire area immediately in front of the venue. So the Blair jailers were forced to set up their stalls on the pavement in front or to one side of the venue, set aside for them. The police were evidently not expecting thousands.  The police were right. I passed several armed policemen but they seemed to be chatting about other things, football, snooker or tennis perhaps, rather than about anything as challenging as preventing the hanging of a politician from a nearby tree.

    The green in front of the centre on which they originally wanted to perform had been banned to these dwindling numbers of the righteous. Easy to see why. The press were there in numbers, many under  canopies to do their interviews. The Stop The War warriors had complained as though there was no real reason for their refused permission apart from protecting Tony Blair from their unwelcome screaming and yelling.  As so often before, they got it wrong. That was simply the only place near the venue capable of serving the presence of the world’s press.

    INDEFATIGABILITY SILENCED?

    As I stood in the queue to enter for the afternoon session I am sure I heard a voice I’d have preferred not to hear – ‘Gorgeous George’.  But oddly enough, and I don’t why, he had only spoken a dozen words before the speaker went silent. What!!? I worried myself  sick for all of two seconds. Had someone shot him? Or arrested him in the name of peace and right and honesty and integrity an’ all that? I still haven’t worked out why George Galloway stopped talking. It’s never been known before.

    Just had it confirmed over at Rentoul’s that I was right about Gorgeous George. He was there. And here’s the proof.

    Indefatigability himself, Gorgeous George speaks to the millions, sorry, thousands, oh, I mean dozens... gathered outside the 'gallows' in Westminster. Tony Blair is inside, pleading for his life. Er, not.

    I didn’t hang around the venue while the morning session was on, preferring to watch TV coverage in a local hostelry than to watch the Stop Gang stopping nothing, not even the traffic.

    THE MASTER’S VOICE

    The staff at the pub off Smith Square were very kind and specially for me found the controls for their little-used TV set.  I probably irritated many late morning drinkers as they had to listen to politics in the background. Still, by the time I had to leave quite a few of them were tuning in to The Master’s performance, with him or not politically. He still has not lost that ability to gently command attention, again, with him or not. A rare quality in a politician and something we allowed ourselves to lose so carelessly, not so long ago.


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    Go here to Julie’s to read significant items from Tony Blair’s morning session evidence. You will read none of the bias, opining or cherry-picking we get from our blessed press. Only direct quotes from Mr Blair and the panel. Links there too to the Iraq Inquiry website and the full transcript.

    At the Iranian state-sponsored PRESS TV (a George Galloway employer) this bastion of freedom, justice and democracy has its own take on the Inquiry hearing of Tony Blair. I expect they are thinking of doing the same thing with Ahmadinejad and the Supreme Leader.

    Read more in the next post on Tony Blair’s afternoon session which I attended, with more pictures of the external goings-on.




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    Tony Blair at Iraq Inquiry – ONE report with NO opining

    January 30, 2010
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    30th January, 2010

    AS A MATTER OF FACT …

    Since I was in attendance, I will soon be doing my own report on yesterday in court, aka Blair in the dock, otherwise known as The Iraq Inquiry. But amongst all the opining I found this mention of the Inquiry – simply headlined - ” Tony Blair speaks to the Iraq Inquiry”.

    You might find it useful if you want to know ALL the facts before reading the opinions of those who ‘know’.

    It points directly to the video of the most recent, the afternoon session of the Inquiry at their website. From there you can view the earlier morning seesion and read the transcription of both sessions.

    Note – no commentary. Just facts.


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    Iraq Inquiry Special, New Statesman: Press Release – Ban Blair-Baiting petition

    January 27, 2010
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  • UPDATE – Help get the petition to 500 by the end of today – Thursday, 28th. Now 429 480. See here.

    UPDATE 2 – Thank you. We did it. Now over 500. But please, keep them coming!

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    27th January, 2010

    Iraq Inquiry Special: Press Release

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    Full page advert for the BAN BLAIR-BAITING petition in

    The New Statesman’s Iraq Inquiry special

    PRESS RELEASE

    BAN BLAIR-BAITING

    FULL PAGE ADVERT FOR THE BAN BLAIR-BAITING PETITION TO APPEAR IN THE NEW STATESMAN’S IRAQ INQUIRY SPECIAL (OUT TOMORROW)

    This week’s issue is to carry the above opposite the leader. Its content will probably be diametrically opposed to much of the coverage in the rest of the issue, which will no doubt take the form of the kind of Blair-baiting that the petition is about.

    The title BAN BLAIR-BAITING is explained in the online petition as follows:

    Bear-baiting, whereby a tethered bear was attacked by a pack of dogs, was outlawed in this country in 1835. It is now time to stop BLAIR-baiting, i.e. attacks on our former Prime Minister by the dogs of anti-war. Less metaphorically it can be defined as the constant incitement of hatred against Tony Blair for taking us to war in Iraq

    WHO IS SIGNING THE PETITION?

    The petition, calling for fair treatment of Tony Blair and fair reporting of the Iraq inquiry, is attracting signatures from people all over the world (including Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia) who are appalled by the abuse that is being directed at our former Prime Minister and who are sick and tired of those who have found him guilty of various crimes and misdemeanours before the non-judicial inquiry has considered all the evidence, far less reached any conclusions.

    Here’s a typical comment from Birmingham “I believe that Tony Blair has been taunted and terrorized enough over the Iraq war. I want to see it end.” And from Bulgaria, “Mr Blair you are a true leader, you have stepped forth when all others have stepped back.”

    A list of other comments of this sort can be found in John Rentoul’s post “We few, we happy few”. And John Rentoul carries this New Statesman information here at his site.

    In that piece Mr Rentoul says this about the petition “Fortunately, there are now 323 of us [since then the number is fast approaching 400] that have signed the petition to Ban Blair Baiting, a brave venture, which was always about quality rather than numbers.”

    Prominent signatories include Lord George Foulkes, John Rentoul, chief political commentator at the Independent on Sunday, Oliver Kamm, leader writer and columnist at the Times, Stephen Pollard, editor of the Jewish Chronicle, Tom Harris MP,  Paul Trippett  and John Burton from Tony Blair’s former Sedgefield constituency and Jessica Asato, acting Director of the Labour pressure group, Progress.  Nick Cohen has also expressed his support.

    AIMS OF THE PETITION

    Starting a debate

    Firstly, the petition is intended to start a debate about how Tony Blair is being treated with regard to this inquiry and how its proceedings are being reported in the media. John Rentoul has already picked up on this in his “Iraq Inquiry Coverage Rebuttal Service”. And another leading European-based blogger, Erik Svane (an ex-pat American with a large American following) has just signed and posted this piece on the petition, headed “Tony Blair supported the United States: now it’s time to support Tony Blair”

    We understand that, as our former Prime Minister, Mr Blair is considered by some to have much to answer for over Iraq. And thus we appreciate that this inquiry has its place. What we cannot accept, however, is the attempt by those who have made up their minds in advance, to turn the inquiry into an Iran-type show trial. (note the demonstration planned for Tony Blair’s appearance on Friday and George Monbiot’s latest scurrilous piece at the Guardian headed “ Wanted: Tony Blair for war crimes. Arrest him and claim your reward”)

    Countering the expected anti-Blair bias

    Another aim of the petition and the related website, JUSTICE FOR TONY BLAIR is to form the basis of a campaign to counter the anti-Blair activity that will undoubtedly be taking place over the period of the inquiry.

    Our concern is that media coverage of this activity and media competition to lay a killer blow on Mr Blair when evidence is taken at the inquiry will taint any outcome in his favour and even make it unacceptable as was the case with previous inquiries. Another concern, prompted by Sir John Chilcot’s recent efforts to reassure the public that the inquiry will not be a whitewash, is that the inquiry will turn into a BLACKwash i.e. an OVER-critical verdict on the UK’s part in the war in order to demonstrate that it is NOT a whitewash.

    In sum, the simple message of the petition is that Blair-baiting should play no part in the Iraq inquiry. And it opens up a much wider and hugely important issue about the role of the media in matters of this sort.


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    Click back here often and refresh this page to watch the numbers rise in the box below. We would like to get to 500 before Mr Blair gives his evidence at the Iraq Inquiry on Friday. If you believe in “innocent until proven guilty”, please help us to reach that goal.

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    Click for the petition: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/ban-blair-baiting.html

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    A comprehensive article about the petition can be found at The Progressive


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    Alastair Campbell has blogged on this today

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    And here at Julie’s think tank

    Earlier posts on Ban Blair-Baiting at this site, including signature comments from around the world in support of Tony Blair, and against the lambasting he has received from the British press:

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    Iraq Inquiry – Read Comments & Sign the Ban Blair-Baiting petition

    January 27, 2010
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  • PLEASE NOTE: Check towards the end for the most recent comments. You will note where argued, intelligent debate lies over Tony Blair & Iraq.


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    SAMPLES OF RECENT COMMENTS OF SIGNATORIES AT THE BAN BLAIR-BAITING PETITION

    322, Metro Manila, Philippines – Let us follow the rule of law: the person is INNOCENT otherwise proven guilty.


    323, Longdon Green, Rugeley, UK - Blair was the best PM this country has had!


    329, Oberstenfeld, GermanyAn honourable man who did what he believed to be right thing. His detractors seem mainly to be people who a) couldn’t swallow his supporting George Bush, b) don’t like it that he was found correct in his argument with the BBC or c) cannot bear the idea that it is they who have supported the wrong cause.


    330, Arlington, TX, USAAfter the idiot we have elected in America thanks to the media bias do you really want the same in the UK? I would think not, don’t let the media turn leadership into a popularity contest. Leadership isn’t about popularity it’s about making the sometimes difficult and sometimes unpopular decisions to benefit the nation.


    334, Paris, France – What is most galling is that it is taken as a given that 1) Blair (and Bush) lied and/or made (unforgivable) mistakes and that 2) Blair’s and Bush’s (alleged) lies and/or (alleged) mistakes before the conflict led to a war with a country as innocent, as peaceful, and as nonthreatening as Luxembourg.

    http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2010/01/tony-blair-supported-united-states-now.html

    Go here to read articles such as “Was Tony Blair really the Yanks’ poodle?” and “Did Bush and Blair Lie About WMD?


    335Iraq HAD WMD’s (just ask the Kurds). Everyone knows it. Saddam was in violation of dozens of UN resolutions. Everyone knows it. The Iraq government has uncovered significant information linking Saddam to AQ. Sane people know this. Leave Tony Blair alone! He didn’t commit a crime & you’re making yourselves look like fools.


    340 – Are all the members of the Labour Party also going on the dock for supporting PM Blair? It seems only fair that any slur that is attached to him should be attached to them as well. Or perhaps just grown up and realize that democracies aren’t perfect but infintely better than anything else.


    348 – I believe it naive to think that Sadaam wasn’t playing with weapons of mass destruction on several levels.Ridicule or a derisive attitude will not alter that.That region of the world is rife with devious and despotic rulers just waiting for the opportunity to gain the upper hand.
    It is unseemly for the world press to ride roughshod over sensibilities .Blair baiting should not be condoned but rather should be condemned


    353, Miami, FL, USA – Tony Blair acted in good faith on a preponderance of evidence against one of the most malevolent tyrannies of the last half of the 20th Century. British forces (and Americans) removed that vicious dictatorship which had killed over a million Iraqis and (by its OWN estimates) allowed 500,000 Iraqis to die for anti-sanctions propaganda EVEN THOUGH THE SADDAM DICTATORSHIP COULD HAVE OBTAINED SUPPLIES FOR THEM UNDER THE UNITED NATIONS’ OIL-FOR-FOOD PROGRAM.

    Tony Blair did the right HUMANE thing!


    354, Nurnberg & Newark, Bavaria Germany - Leave the man alone.


    356, Israel – I agree with the position of this petition.


    365, USA – We know that Saddam had, at the very least, chemical weapons which he had used against the Kurds. He was also trying to develop nuclear weapons. Give Blair and Bush a break: they acted on the intelligence they had which said that the WMD’s were there.


    369, USA – i bELEIVE THAT tONY bLAIR IS A GOOD PERSON WROTE TO HIM wE SHOULD RESPECT HIM i AM BEHIND HIM ALL THE WAY


    371 – i agree the petition.
    BAROUCH HACHEM


    374 – May God bless Tony Blair and all who fought and served to bring freedom and relief to Iraq.


    375, Warcs, UK – This hearing should provide access to the truth, if that is to be achieved then judgement must be held until the evidence has been heard and properly considered. It is not the place for a public show trial.


    377, Geneva, Stitzerland – The extreme leftwing loonies are acting as the useful idiots of the islamists who abuse our laws in order to impose their islamo-fascist islamic rule.

    Shame on the traitors who collaborate with the enemies of Liberty.


    382, California, USA – Go after the bad guys, not the good guys. The ones that are terrorizing the world and killing inocent people with their IEDs, car bombs, suicide bombers, hijacking aircraft and other modes of transportation.


    383, USA – Tony Blair is a man of integrity and guts. It is so sad to see what is happening to him in the United Kingdom. We still support him here in the United States. Tony, move over here!


    384, Ohio USA – I like the guy. I think he really cares and has gotten an unfair rap.


    386 – No doubt Saddam had them and disposed of them prior to inspections. We gave him plenty of time!


    387, Carrouges, Orne, France – A fair hearing is essential; one without media influence ; the media should report the news not make it.


    391, France We can not to have him in France at the post of Sarkozy. But we would like cause he made what nobody else did.


    394 – I think it’s shocking how Tony Blair is being treated.


    401, Halifax, West Yorkshire, UK -If we had bribed the French more than Saddam did would that have made it all legal?
    Lesson: Never rely on the UN to make moral decisions as many of the members are wholly immoral.


    402, Spain – Viva Tony. He ‘s done a lot for England and the World too.


    28th January, 2010 – Signatures and comments below


    412 – Tony Blair done good – period!


    420 – Lets instead report on Iraq’s newfound democracy.


    417, UK – Blair was genuine in his belief that Saddam had weapons of mass distruction he is being made a scapegoat by the tory press who remember supported the war!


    439, Glasgow, Scotland – TB has brought more care and openness to government decision making than any other British Prime Minister that I have lived under. His continued presence on the world stage is so very important in achieving Peace in Palestine.


    British people of all political persuasions need to help and support his efforts there rather than allow distractions in Trial by Newspaper, internet blogs and other media. These are as unacceptable as Kangaroo Courts, Witch Finder Trials and The Spanish Inquisition.


    446 – Good stuff , it’s great that someone is standing up for Blair!


    449, UK – I’ve just heard George Monbiot on the radio, and found myself in such strong disagreement with his argument that I felt I had to sign this petition.


    453, London, UK – I would indeed like to become more involved in countering the disgraceful way the British press has been intentionally misleading the public. I’m also a great admirer of Mr.Blair and a supporter of the action he took against Baathism and Jihadism, and support the democratic efforts of the Iraqi and Kurdish people to remake their country in their own image.


    463 – The inexplicable hate and vituperation against TB has clouded the logic of otherwise intelligent people. I would ask them to stick to the evidence and the facts and not try to rewrite history. Just because the Government did something you disagree with, it doesn’t mean they have to be liars and criminals.


    467, Odense, Denmark – I want justice for Mr. Tony Blair and no mingling from the media and other interested parties.


    470, Caerphilly, Wales – “Yes ! In my name !!


    472, Basingstoke, Hampshire, UK- Tony Blair was, in my opinion, the best Prime Minister this country has seen. As the page says, innocent untill proven guilty but what, really, could he have done. He needed to maintain the relationship with the US.


    475, Walton-on-Thames, Surrey, UK – Tony Blair did the right thing based on the evidence available. As a nation we should be prepared to stand up for ourselves and what is right. Saddam thumbed his nose at a string of UN resolutions and murdered hundreds of thousands. He was a world menace and it is better off without him. The Iraq war opponents want to give up in the face of evil. This is frightening.


    476 – Sick of people dissing Tony Blair….Saddam Hussan HAD WMDs in the past and toyed giving the impressions he still had them…..I fully Back Tony Blairs actions.


    477, UK – the media will totally ignore this as they have their own agenda , in particular Guardian & Observer.


    483, Virginia, USA – Free people are required to push back against those attempting to dominate us. That is part of the unavoidable cost of remaining free.


    488, Minnesota, USA – Inocent until proven guilty . Hands off Tony Blair .


    493, Florida, USA – Tony Blair is a stauncy ally of these United States much like Margaret Thacher was, so I stand with him at this time.


    494, UK – Give Tony Blair a FAIR hearing tomorrow.
    Don’t swallow the lies of the biased British media!!
    In a democracy everyone is INNOCENT until proved guilty (applies to TB,too!!!)


    495, Cardiff, UK – The treatment of Tony Blair is worse than an inquisition. The hatred online for him and throughout much of the press is horrendous. Whatever happened to British fair play? This man was the democratically elected LEADER of this country, not a dictator. I am proud of him and ashamed of many of my fellow Brits.


    501, Liverpool, UK – I have been deeply saddened and also incensed by the “pitchfork and lighted torches” mentality of the press over this. I am dismayed that this great lie they are building may become indisputable fact over the coming years. We we must somehow prevent this re-writing of history and ensure the truth is heard. Tony Blair was a great PM and deserves better than this!


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    Iraq Inquiry, Blair: MET STOPS C4′s Good Guys, The Stop The Warriors

    January 26, 2010
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    26th January, 2010

    C4′S ‘GOOD GUYS’ (aka STOP THE WARRIORS) CANNOT PEDDLE THEIR LIES ON QEII GREEN ON FRIDAY FOR MR BLAIR … oh, and me

    Jon Snow at Channel 4 News will be SO-O-O-O upset.

    Why C4′s “good guys”? Look at the reports to the right here at the C4 News source. Jon Snow, their anchorman, makes BBC journalists sound fair and balanced.

    Mr Snow’s heroes, the Stop the War coalition, have been banned from parading their tired old misinformation when  Mr Blair appears at the Iraq Inquiry venue in London.

    About time too!

    Sadly, not permanently. But still, I’d like to thank the MET Police.

    [Complain online to London's  Metropolitan Police here if anything else is bothering you these days.  For instance the disregard of "innocent until proven guilty" by these 'troof' hunting peace 'n' lovers.]

    Mr Blair would never have noticed this crowd, as he is unlikely to enter the venue through the front entrance. But I would have had to put up with them.

    Thanks goodness they will not now be permitted to bellow their lies and wave their placards in my face on Friday when I tag along to see and hear what Mr Blair has to say about the Iraq war decisions.

    HEY – NEWS FOR C4 – WE’RE OUTTA THERE

    It’s all such a CRAZY idea anyway. Our great former PM hasn’t been prime minister for two and a half years AND as it happens, we are already out of Iraq.

    Wonder why Mr Snow hasn’t told them? Souls.

    Some of us, you loathsome crowd of Know-It-Alls would rather be informed than inform, particularly in loud ignorance, as is the wont of the multi-agenda’d Stop The War gang.

    Hmmm, Mr Snow?


    Blair protesters pull out of police talks

    Updated on 26 January 2010

    By Dan Wright, Channel 4 News

    The Stop the War coalition have expressed their frustration with the Metropolitan Police and told Channel 4 News they have pulled out of discussions with them about demonstrations coinciding with Tony Blair’s appearance at the Iraq Inquiry on Friday.

    The anti-war group had been in talks with police to arrange their protest outside the Queen Elizabeth II centre, where the former Prime Minister will be giving evidence.

    But the group pulled out of talks and called for a “mass mobilisation of anti-war protesters” after the Metropolitan Police told them they would not be able to hold their demonstration on a green space outside the centre, where they had held all previous action.

    Earlier the Metropolitan Police told Channel 4 News they were having a “very constructive dialogue” with protest organisers and were “trying to ensure they are as near as they want to be”.

    But the spot in question is on the property of the Queen Elizabeth II Centre, a government-owned building, and the Stop the War coalition have alleged that the QE2 decided not to allow them to protest there, adding “the government have effectively banned us from protesting”.

    The Metropolitan Police have denied press reports they were preparing to use so-called “kettling” tactics against the protesters, saying they had a number of tactics at their disposal.

    The event had been seen as the first major test of public order policing since the “Adapting to Protest” review by Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC) published last November.

    The review was triggered by criticism of the policing of the G20 protest last year, where there were a number of complaints, and the newspaper vendor Ian Tomlinson died.

    Original plans for Friday’s protest included a “naming of the dead ceremony” and musical performances throughout the morning.

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    Svane – “TONY BLAIR SUPPORTED THE USA; NOW IT IS TIME TO SUPPORT TONY BLAIR”

    January 26, 2010
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    26th January, 2010

    “TONY BLAIR SUPPORTED THE USA; NOW IT IS TIME TO SUPPORT TONY BLAIR”

    Erik Svane at his blog – No Pasaran – says - “Tony Blair Supported the United States; Now It Is Time to Support Tony Blair”

    [no pasarán - meaning: They shall not pass through]

    Thank you for this post, Erik. As Blair Supporters in Britain, where Mr Blair is under relentless attack by the mainstream press (see previous post) we DO appreciate your work, and would like to thank you for the ensuing signatures at the Ban Blair-Baiting petition.

    Watch the Iraq Inquiry live here. Today, Sir Michael Wood Legal Adviser, Foreign and Commonwealth Office, 2001 – 2006 -  the Foreign Office’s most senior legal adviser said that he believed that the Iraq invasion was against international law.  David Brummell,  Legal Secretary to the Law Officers, 2001 – 2004 also provided his evidence this morning.

    Elizabeth Wilmshurst, Deputy Legal Adviser, Foreign and Commonwealth Office, 2001 – 2003, who resigned over the invasion decision on grounds of “legality” will give her evidence this afternoon, as will Margaret Beckett, Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, May 2006 – June 2007.

    Tomorrow, Rt Hon Lord Goldsmith QC, the Attorney General, June 2001 to June 2007 will give his evidence for the entire day.

    Thursday they all have a day off, in preparation, presumably for this -

    On Friday Tony Blair himself will give his testimony under necessary high security. The security costs should be sent to all the Blair haters in the press and in the Stop-The -War campaign,  whose incitement against Mr Blair, based on ignorance, brainwashing and bone-headed bias, is costing far more than it would if the Haters REALLY believed in “innocent until proven guilty”.

    And, as Sir John Chilcot continually reminds us – “This is not a trial.”

    Timetable of those giving evidence here.



    posted by Erik @ 20:57

    Tony Blair gave his support to the United States of America…

    Now it is time to give our support to Tony Blair!

    …And to sign the petition

    Justice for Tony Blair demands that

    It is now time to stop BLAIR-baiting, i.e. attacks on our former Prime Minister by the dogs of anti-war. Less metaphorically it can be defined as the constant incitement of hatred against Tony Blair for taking us to war in Iraq.

    This year’s Blair-baiting season will reach its peak when the Iraq war inquiry starts to call witnesses. Parts of the media, the anti-Iraq war lobby and some families of soldiers killed in the war are already calling for this to be a TRIAL of Tony Blair with a view to gathering as much evidence as possible to send him to The Hague for “war crimes”. Except that unlike a normal trial, Tony Blair has been presumed guilty in advance.

    What is most galling about the hysterical calls calling for Blair‘s (and Bush’s) head(s) is that it is taken as a given that 1) Blair (and Bush) lied and/or made (unforgivable) mistakes and that 2) Blair‘s and Bush’s (alleged) lies and/or (alleged) mistakes before the conflict led to a war with a country as innocent, as peaceful, and as nonthreatening (both domestically and internationally) as the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg.

    The issue of weapons of mass destruction is laughed off offhand, with snorts and scorn, as if Luxembourg (or a country like it) had been the country accused of harboring ABCs. Note: the reason people — all people, not just Bush and Blair, and in nations both within and without the Coalition of the Willing — believed Saddam Hussein had weapons was that he had harbored them and that, indeed, he had used them. Saddam used chemical weapons on Iranian troops, he used them on Kurdish civilians, and he tried building nuclear weapons.

    It is my fervent hope that when the trial begins, Blair won’t just sit there, but that he will turn the tables on his castigators (the self-described humanitarians and human rights activists) and hammer this theme home. With quotes from all the varying actors stating their firm conviction that Iraq and/or Saddam needed to be confronted.

    Related:

    The following excerpt comes from a post (So Long As We Are Hunting for Liars in the Iraq Controversy) written about Bush and his American castigators, but it can easily adapted for Tony or for any like-minded ally in the Coalition of the Willing):

    In the following sentence, [we can couple "the Democrats" with "the Europeans" as well as Britain's anti-Blairites, all of which fall] under what Norman Podhoretz calls “all those who in their desperation to delegitimize the larger policy being tested in Iraq … have consistently used distortion, misrepresentation and selective perception to vilify as immoral a bold and noble enterprise”: … so long as we are hunting for liars in this area, let me suggest that we begin with the Democrats now proclaiming that they were duped, and that we then broaden out to all those who in their desperation to delegitimize the larger policy being tested in Iraq–the policy of making the Middle East safe for America by making it safe for democracy–have consistently used distortion, misrepresentation and selective perception to vilify as immoral a bold and noble enterprise and to brand as an ignominious defeat what is proving itself more and more every day to be a victory of American arms and a vindication of American ideals. [As well as British ones — natch!]


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    Arrest George Monbiot for his ‘Bounty’/Incitement to Murder Tony Blair

    January 26, 2010
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    26th January, 2010

    Monbiot: “The fund will remain open for as long as Mr Blair lives, or until he is officially prosecuted. If it still contains money after his death or prosecution, the remainder will be donated to one or more organisations campaigning for international justice, or used to pursue other people responsible for the Iraq war.” (MY emphasis)

    So says this sweet little attempt to incite murder by the love ‘n’ peace man – George Monbiot

    “This site offers a reward to people attempting a peaceful citizen’s arrest of the former British prime minister, Tony Blair, for crimes against peace. Anyone attempting an arrest which meets the rules laid down here will be entitled to one quarter of the money collected at the time of his or her application.

    Money donated to this site will be used for no other purpose than to pay bounties for attempts to arrest Tony Blair.”

    “Bounties”? “Bounties”? Isn’t that word usually attached to these words -  “dead or alive”? Or is that thinking too lateral, but not literal? I am not convinced, Mr Monbiot.

    And here at The Guardian he describes his reasons why Blair should be killed… arrested.

    “Wanted: Tony Blair for war crimes. Arrest him and claim your reward

    Chilcot and the courts won’t do it, so it is up to us to show that we won’t let an illegal act of mass murder go unpunished”

    Read that again: “Chilcot and the courts won’t do it, so it is up to us …”

    If the courts won’t do it, why even arrest him? The courts “won’t do it”! You just said so, Monbiot! The Crown Prosecution Service will not put up a case against Tony Blair for “crimes against peace” because there isn’t one. You know it, Monbiot.

    YOU are inciting violence, perhaps even murder and you should be locked up.

    Your puerile website is designed to rouse the half-sane like yourself to feeling that they can/should/MUST take the law into their own hands, since “the courts won’t”.

    It is INCITEMENT TO KILL. Nothing less. And you, Monbiot, know it.

    My call to the authorities – arrest Monbiot now, and take down his hate-inspiring website.

    The commenters at his site are fairly evenly mixed. Some see him as a hero, almost as many as an idiot. But the points made by some paint a clear picture of what many of them want.  For instance the first one here below wants an extrajudicial approach.

    I have selected mostly the more sane comments, for the rest go to his Guardian article here.

    Read on down for a flavour of just what democracy is up against with these ranters as Mr Blair gives his “not a trial” Iraq Inquiry evidence this Friday.

    By the way, just so you know. I sent a comment to Monbiot’s dreadful Guardian article. It wasn’t heavy. I didn’t save it, as The Guardian doesn’t usually remove comments unless they use abusive language. Mine didn’t. Under the name “This Stinks” it has been deleted by the moderator. Why? Because I said something to this effect:

    “All those who agree that we are all ‘innocent until proven guilty’ should sign this petition – Ban Blair-Baiting.”

    So the removal of that comment says all we need to know about Mr Monbiot. It confirms the truth in the heading I use at this blog – “Innocent Until proven Tony Blair”.

    And THIS comment was considered worthy of removal? Atrocious behaviour.

    ARREST MONBIOT NOW


    This is the 4th comment at Monbiot’s article:

    duppyconqueror

    25 Jan 2010, 7:37PM

    I’d recommend an extra judicial approach.
    -far more likely to bring about a satisfactory result.


    legalcynic

    25 Jan 2010, 7:47PM

    Given the reform to PACE by ahem one Tony Blair, a citizens arrest of Blair would be unlawful. See Police and Criminal Evidence Act s.24A (3) (b).

    Sorry to spoil your fun.

    Now, what you might have is a conspiracy with persons unknown to counsel or procure the unlawful arrest and false imprisonment of a named person, I think that that might not go down well in all quarters in all circumstances.


    lolzorz

    25 Jan 2010, 7:48PM

    It’s a good job smugness isn’t a crime George.


    Danot

    25 Jan 2010, 7:48PM

    It’s not that I don’t think that Blair is a war criminal. I’d stand and cheer with the best of them if he was dangling from a rope for his crime. However, he’s also a war criminal surrounded by well armed and well trained police officers with lots of backup no more than a few minutes away.

    The best that could happen, would be that the person attempting the arrest would be cuffed and detained for a few hours, it could also be a lot worse, even fatal.

    I don’t see why you can’t make the attempt yourself George, as it’s your idea. With the Guardian’s resources at your disposal, it shouldn’t be difficult for you to track him down and make the attempt yourself, rather than encouraging some other well meaning idiot to risk their lives.


    olching

    25 Jan 2010, 7:51PM

    Careful people: Blair threads are notorious for a high attrition rate amongst commenters (see JayReilly).

    I support George on this. It is of course merely a token gesture, but it’s important to instigate direct (legal) action, since there is little or no hope that anything will come of these inquiries.

    My only concern is that some nutter will assassinate Blair (not a problem) and this will then be turned into ‘the left’s’ fault by the right-wing media (problem).


    MacGyver

    25 Jan 2010, 7:51PM

    Shocking stuff Mr Monbiot. You are encouraging vigilantism and harassment, surely this must be illegal? This is the most irresponsible thing I’ve ever heard of, bearing in mind that Blair travels with armed protection anywhere he goes.

    You may end up with blood on your hands.


    MacGyver

    25 Jan 2010, 7:57PM

    Nice touch putting Blair’s schedule on the website. Incredibly sinister.


    blacknose

    25 Jan 2010, 7:59PM

    So…
    there’s no court to try him in, the arrests are “symbolic”, but nobody gets the reward until he faces a court of law…

    Am I the only one who sees a problem here?

    This seems like a call for vigilante action.


    TheGreatGigInTheSky

    25 Jan 2010, 8:07PM

    http://www.arrestblair.org/

    Great Blog George

    Brown handcuffed himself to the Iraq invasion this morning at the press conference

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1okQgKLhO3k

    He doesn’t seem to realise that is the end of his reputation.


    sheffpixie

    25 Jan 2010, 8:09PM

    Shocking stuff Mr Monbiot. You are encouraging vigilantism and harassment, surely this must be illegal? This is the most irresponsible thing I’ve ever heard of, bearing in mind that Blair travels with armed protection anywhere he goes.

    Not shocking at all – he is calling for a citizens arrest that’s all. Which is legal in the UK, or was last time I heard (see link below). And as you must be aware – it’s a symbolic gesture, as we all know full well, there is absolutely no way Blair will ever be indicted.
    Citizens arrest

    MacGyver

    25 Jan 2010, 8:15PM


    sheffpixie

    25 Jan 2010, 8:09PM

    And as you must be aware – it’s a symbolic gesture, as we all know full well, there is absolutely no way Blair will ever be indicted.

    Well I’m no legal expert, but in that case, surely Blair will have a case against Monbiot for harassment? On his website it states: “The fund will remain open for as long as Mr Blair lives, or until he is officially prosecuted.”


    FeanorLobelia

    25 Jan 2010, 8:20PM

    MacGyver -

    What a depraved post that was. Blair initiates (like the Soviets, like Saddam, like Hitler) a gruesome war of aggression that ends up with a million dead and you’re talking about blood on Monbiot’s hands resulting from an arrest that will likely never happen, much to our discredit?

    I would actually like Blair’s blood on my hands, but civilisation intervenes and forces me to demand justice instead. That you weep for his blood and not the blood of a million Iraqis and British serviceman beyond count, that is ‘sinister’.

    freewoman -

    Terribly misguided. The point of international law is that no state can be trusted to be a responsible actor and that no territorial aggression can be seen as legitimate, altruistic, or beneficial. Once there is a dream actor, maybe Sweden Reloaded, or a strengthened UN, which can be a legitimate and fair body, then maybe you’ll have a point. But don’t tell me that the UK, which supported and funded a fascist covert war in Yemen mass death in East Timor, paramilitary slaughter in Colombia and, of course, Saddam during the period when he was ACTUALLY committing his worse crimes, should be allowed to rampage around the world fighting what are obviously resource wars dressed up as liberal interventions.

    Well done George.


    Refusenik88

    25 Jan 2010, 8:26PM

    Leftists want blood and they won’t get it.There is no legal precedent to try blair for “war crimes.” What war crimes legislation does Blair qualify for George?

    Say Saddam Hussein had nuclear weapons, would the war still be criminal?

    The destruction and death toll itself is not evidence, nor could you ever prove Blair’s complicity in it. Did he design Operation Phantom Fury? Did he order the targeting of specific ethnic groups?

    The overwhelmingly majority of people killed in Iraq has been the result of sectarian violence, completely independent of US or British forces.

    The only fault you could pin on Blair is the occupation, which created a situation that led to violence.

    But really, that’s hardly criminal.

    International law is a cold war relic and no longer applies in conflicts that are not conventional.


    TwoSwords

    25 Jan 2010, 8:27PM

    George Monbiot

    I’d be interested to know if you can respond to my point on illegality/unlawfulness. This isn’t a simple question.

    Here’s a further complication – the “crime” occurred in Iraq not the UK arguably so its out of jurisdiction. And I imagine the current Iraqi government is actually quite happy about the war.


    ClimateCommunion

    25 Jan 2010, 8:31PM

    Instead of arresting Tony Blair, the people decided to vote for his Labour party three times, and reject the arguments, leaders, and philosophies of the anti-war parties. The anti-war parties were nowhere near a victory.

    Perhaps you should read that over and over again.

    The people voted three times.

    The fringe will take this article seriously though, as will extremely impressionable university students. It will also embolden terrorists in the UK.

    NIce work.


    unreconstructedchap

    25 Jan 2010, 8:33PM

    “And in lighter news, an unknown but remarkably smug man (believed to write for the guardian newspaper) was was shot this afternoon by the diplomatic protection team of the former prime minister Tony Blair during an attempted assault/\kidnapping….”


    CheshireSalt

    25 Jan 2010, 8:36PM

    Mr Monbiot – go and lie down for half an hour until you are feeling better. As you well know this will lead precisely nowhere. Blair will tell the Inquiry what Campbell told the Inquiry namely that everything was done in the utmost good faith and while with the benefit of hindsight the planning for the aftermath of the invasion could have been better, well stuff happens. And the Inquiry members will nod gravely and say well perhaps cabinet co-ordination could have been better, lessons to be learned here. Now let’s all go home.

    International law? No international court would consider for one instant arresting the former head of government of a major democratic nation state and quite rightly so.


    lolzorz

    25 Jan 2010, 8:38PM

    I’ve just checked the whois and remarkably arrestgeorgemonbiot.com is still available.


    mildivbmeo

    25 Jan 2010, 8:40PM

    Mr Monbiot, you are nothing but a barrack room lawyer


    legalcynic

    25 Jan 2010, 8:41PM

    I read the part of the site which dealt with the arrest and to be blunt I rather think that you’ve asked Afua to help you.

    To put it simply if a police officer is present you cannot make a ‘citizen’s arrest’

    24A Arrest without warrant: other persons

    (2) Where an indictable offence has been committed, a person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant?

    (a) anyone who is guilty of the offence;

    (b) anyone whom he has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be guilty of it.

    (3) But the power of summary arrest conferred by subsection (1) or (2) is exercisable only if?

    (a) the person making the arrest has reasonable grounds for believing that for any of the reasons mentioned in subsection (4) it is necessary to arrest the person in question; and

    (b) it appears to the person making the arrest that it is not reasonably practicable for a constable to make it instead.

    (4) The reasons are to prevent the person in question?

    (a) causing physical injury to himself or any other person;

    (b) suffering physical injury;

    (c) causing loss of or damage to property; or

    (d) making off before a constable can assume responsibility for him.?

    So since you’re not going to satisfy any of ss (4) even if a police officer isn’t present it’s never going to be lawful.

    It’s the ‘I’m Harriet Harman, you know where to get me principle’ I would dress that up in latin but this is free advice.


    VforVintage

    25 Jan 2010, 8:43PM

    I was hoping George would move on from ‘deniers’. After this article I will remember to be’careful what you wish for’. Apart from its sixth form style, shooting at fish in a barrel is pretty feeble. London is crawling with villains from all over the world who are guilty ( as proven in courts of law ) of murder. Where were you when Pinochet was here? If you encourage people to harass Blair it could lead to someone unhinged going further than your stunt asks for. Could you shrug it off or would you say he ‘deserved’ it ? Some would you know. Your recent articles are becoming shrill and almost desperate and if you are not careful you will rank alongside all those other authors who climb onto the nearest bandwagon of populist causes. If what you claim is true every minister who backed Blair is guilty, the opposition are guilty and in some respects those who voted him in three times also have some ‘blood’ on our hands. To try, as you do, to pin it all on one man and have that man persecuted ( for the sake of good ‘copy’ ) is akin to mob rule. If he has a case to answer, then let the law act, but its not up to people like you to start a witch hunt ( a Blair witch hunt ) over which you have no control.


    Monbiot

    25 Jan 2010, 8:44PM

    Vorlon:

    Perhaps in your next article George you can explain why you haven’t tried to arrest the leaders responsible for mass murder in China, Burma, Zimbabwe,and the Balkans to name a few – or why you haven’t tried arresting any americans in office at the time

    As a matter of fact, I have.


    AdEd

    25 Jan 2010, 8:47PM

    Today Ali Hassan al-Majid, known as “Chemical Ali”, has been executed by hanging.

    Monbiot and those like him would have left him, and the rest of Saddam’s brutal, genocidal crew, in place indefinitely to gas, torture and murder the people of Iraq.

    Thankfully Mr Blair had the courage to put a stop to Saddam’s regime.


    VforVintage

    25 Jan 2010, 8:51PM

    It just occurred to me that Blair is followed around by the secret service, no doubt armed. With real threats to Blairs life from Islamists, I think encouraging people to approach Blair to make a citizens arrest is a particularly foolish suggestion to make. Trigger happy police and all that goes with it. I think it would be wise if George took his site down before events get out of hand and for which he will regret.


    Garcie

    25 Jan 2010, 8:52PM

    Anyway Tony Blair didnt ‘take us to war’.

    Parliment did.


    ChanceyGardener

    25 Jan 2010, 8:53PM

    Oh dear Oh dear George,

    I think those drones will be after you now. Incitement to violence may be the charge – I can see FTAC revving the engine as I type.

    But the good news is that the rozzers will have 57 million potential suspects to deal with as they all try to claim their reward.


    MacGyver

    25 Jan 2010, 8:55PM

    Mr Monbiot:
    If someone is shot by Blair’s armed protection in the course of attempting to claim the bounty you are offering, what legal sanction, if any, do you believe you should face?


    Vorlon

    25 Jan 2010, 9:01PM

    @George

    Perhaps in your next article George you can explain why you haven’t tried to arrest the leaders responsible for mass murder in China, Burma, Zimbabwe,and the Balkans to name a few – or why you haven’t tried arresting any americans in office at the time

    As a matter of fact, I have.

    Well clearly being British hasn’t kept your attentions confined to UK politicians but come ON George, trying arrest Bolton at dinky little festival in the safe surroundings of the UK knowing perfectly well you’re making a gesture with no possible consequences to yourself.

    Not exactly Ghandi is it, just nice safe middle-class liberal grandstanding.

    I notice you don’t appear to have tried the same stunt actually IN the other countries I mentioned. (unless I missed it – and I somehow doubt your obvious sense of self-importance would have glossed over being arrested and beaten up in Zimbabwe for instance)

    Running a hate campaign on the internet against an ex-prime minister – wow – what courage, what strength of character, what nobility……

    George Monbiot – Cyber-Bullying to a Better Tomorrow……….


    Scam22

    25 Jan 2010, 9:02PM

    Let’s not forget. Monbiot is not Che Guevara. He is low life, bought and paid for, corporate scum.

    He is being paid for this pathetic self publicising nonsense, just like he was sponsored by Shell Oil to promote global warming crime. An enemy of the people if I ever saw one.


    cognitator

    25 Jan 2010, 9:07PM

    “But to suggest that nothing can be done vis-a-vis Blair because his entourage is armed and dangerous is defeatist nonsense”

    You never know, once the ‘justice’ pot reaches 2 or 3 million one of those paid heavies might be tempted to have a pop at arresting the murderer himself.
    I’d wager they have consciences too.


    scouserlee

    25 Jan 2010, 9:08PM

    Yet again a foolish and deeply irresponsible article from Monbiot, pursuing his childish obsession with citizen’s arrests. As he knows perfectly well, no such arrest would be legal and would it itself constitute a criminal assault. As per his previous requests, this is presumably why he hasn’t got the guts to do it himself.

    For very good reasons, Blair is protected by security personnel who would react with appropriate force to anyone who attempted to attack him in this manner. You are treading a very fine legal thread here yourself.

    People should also be sceptical about the perceived merits of a body such as the International Criminal Court. The idea that such a court could ever be free of political influence is fanciful. It sounds good, but than again, so did the UNCHR and look at what a farce that is.


    newpassword

    25 Jan 2010, 9:12PM

    donated

    lets get him, up to half a million dead cannot go unpunished


    MarkB35

    25 Jan 2010, 9:16PM

    Blair will never be prosecuted for any ‘war crimes’. Perhaps he should be but the fact is that it will never happen. The idea of a citizens arrest is truly ridiculous. Surely no one would be stupid enough to attempt it and if anyone does I assume George won’t be complaining when Blair’s security people open fire?


    NoSurrenderMonkey

    25 Jan 2010, 9:32PM

    Boring, unjust, third-rate journalism (say something outrageous to get noticed). Illegal as well?

    George Monbiot is exhorting members of the public to commit an act of false imprisonment. As such, they would be breaking the law, as he is surely doing in so prompting them.

    If I remember right, we are not allowed, on CIF, to call for people to commit acts of violence or generally break the law. Surely these rules must apply to the writers, also? This article must be removed.


    Weaselmeister

    25 Jan 2010, 9:36PM

    Go for it George.

    I’m willing to run the risk of you being shot.

    (Where’s the eating popcorn smiley)


    Dogstarscribe

    25 Jan 2010, 9:37PM

    I don’t get it George.

    You don’t need a website to perform a citizens arrest on Blair. Just do it.

    You don’t need to offer a reward. Judging by the bile and vitriol being spewed by some of the posters on here, I’m amazed they haven’t done it already.

    So why are you doing it this way George? Is it about international law and justice, as you understand it? Or is it about the promotion of George Monbiot? Are you too busy going to conversational Welsh classes to venture down to London?

    It’s not as if Blair leads a secret life. He lives very publicly. Why not go to a magistrates court and try and get an arrest warrant, instead of a website?

    At every stage, all I can come back to is that it’s not about law or justice. It’s about George Monbiot, the anti-brand of the radical right.


    MorseCode

    25 Jan 2010, 9:38PM

    George Monbiot

    Nobody’s denying that the search for WMDs was a fiasco and that the invasion of Iraq was a disaster but to call Tony Blair a war criminal and the Iraq war an act of mass murder is plain stupid.

    Worse than that, it’s sign of moral bankruptcy to even consider the Iraq invasion as morally equivalent to real acts of mass murder such the holocaust, the ethnic cleansing of muslims in the Balkans or the genocide in Rwanda.

    However misguided they may have been, Blair and Bush had no intention of causing harm to any Iraqis. Nothing would have pleased them more than to see the Iraqi welcome them with flowers and not having to fire a shot (and I think they were deluded enough to believe this might happen). Clearly they’d be casualties, but they believed the humans costs would be outweighted by the benefits.

    Furthermore, their intentions were to rid the world of dangerous WMDs (which most people believed existed at the time) and to create a peaceful democracy in Iraq (which would have allowed them to lift the sanctions as well) Ludicrous? Perhaps, but this has nothing to do with real murderers such as Hitler and Pol Pot whose avowed goal was to exterminate.

    By all means let Blair be accountable for his incompetence but to call him a war criminal is absurd.

    In any case, parliament voted for the war so we’d have to arrest a majority of MPs as well. The whole thing is ridiculous.


    diabur

    25 Jan 2010, 9:51PM

    This kind of charged discussion and assertion based on indulgent self-righteousness not backed by real evidence, is, sooner or later, going to lead to someone trying to assassinate Tony Blair, and it will be because the media cares more about creating an atmosphere of anger and fury than truth and reality.


    NoSurrenderMonkey

    25 Jan 2010, 10:03PM

    The war in Iraq was both completely necessary and also successful, despite the pointless Sunni vesus Shiite slaughter in previous years. Iraq may now increase oil production to 12 million bpd by 2015, postponing peak oil by up to a decade and giving the world a chance to prepare and avoid devasting economic collapse and unimaginable socio-economic hardship. See the Hirsch report. This could not have happened under Saddam once he had invaded Kuwait. He showed himself as threat to the world’s life-support system; the oil fields of the Middle East. Having been cleared out of Kuwait and hemmed in, he was unlikely to be any better disposed to the West or Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. There was no option but to remove him, though the matter can’t be openly spoken of in those terms.

    Western governments are unwilling to discuss or acknowledge the role of fundamentals like energy supply in the formulation of international policy, yet any fool can see what has happened. George Bush and Tony Blair did the right thing in all our interests. History will look kindly on them. There is no international legal framework in which they can be judged.


    MorseCode

    25 Jan 2010, 10:11PM

    AnotherBloke

    If he wanted to take the nation to war because Saddam was a rotter, he should have said so, and listened to the wishes of the people.

    If you justify well-intentioned lying, you open the door to all kinds of madness. Checks and balances go out of the window, and a lunatic who thinks he has a direct line to God can bring catastrophe on the nation (and the world).

    Excellent point and I agree with you. I’m not here to defend Blair mindlessly. A enquiry is underway and if it transpires that Blair knowingly misled the nation regarding the existence of WMDs, then let him be accountable. But he’s no war criminal or mass murderer. To call him that cheapens those crimes.

    Let’s put it this way, if Blair is a war criminal then so is Truman, JFK, Nixon, De Gaulle…


    politiko

    25 Jan 2010, 10:11PM

    Now the problem I have with all of this, as I think MorseCode mentioned above, is one of intent.
    I’m quite happy to believe and accept that Hitler sat around gleefully counting how many millions of Jews he’d exterminated. I’m sure Pol Pot used to whoop with joy at the deaths he’d caused. Likewise Mugabe. Likewise Stalin of his political opponents. Milosovich too, thinking about the Kosovo Albanians. Even Sadaam Hussein, gassing or torturing various unwanted sections of his population. I really can imagine them thinking ‘Tee hee hee, how many more can I kill?’
    And Monbiot, and most of you people, want me to lump Tony Blair in with these people. You say they’re equivalent. That Blair’s no better. And his ‘crime’ is as bad. That he somehow is personally responsible for the deaths of millions of people.
    I say you’ve completely lost the plot. Blair can go to the Hague the day you all go to a lunatic asylum. Utterly utterly insane…

    jonnnieb

    25 Jan 2010, 10:12PM

    What a prat you are George – thank goodness I dont pay to read this sort of smug rubbish.


    MrJohnWhite

    25 Jan 2010, 10:13PM

    George Monbiot, did you try to arrest Blair over the Kosovo war which had no UN mandate?

    Very bad luck today that a real war criminal has been hanged in Baghdad. Bad luck old boy.


    politiko

    25 Jan 2010, 10:20PM -

    And, frankly, if someone does try this ridiculous stunt and ends up getting shot by security, Monbiot will be a million times more responsible for their death than Tony Blair is for David Kelly’s.


    LiberalManiac

    26 Jan 2010, 7:34AM

    Good article George, shame he hasn’t been tried sooner.

    Although why do people keep screaming ‘vigilante justice’? It’s not that. George isn’t encouraging people to bring back his head on a piece of rusty iron, just to perform a citizens’ arrest. Which is a perfectly legal act.


    MrJohnWhite

    26 Jan 2010, 2:24AM

    The fund will remain open for as long as Mr Blair lives, or until he is officially prosecuted. If it still contains money after his death or prosecution,…

    [Emphasis mine]

    –I am speechless. Why is this not incitement to violence and why is the Guardian giving tacit support to such an illegal act? George, what would happen if some crazy person takes it into his head to kill Tony Blair and cite your website as the impetus for his action? Not only that, he also claims the “bounty” as his reward. I hope that if such a thing happens that you will be charged with complicity in the commission in a crime. You will probably say that you only called for his arrest but you wouldn’t get out of it so easily.

    The supreme irony would be that you would be in the same boat as Tony Blair–being found guilty (though he would not have had a trial) of a crime that you did not personally commit.

    BTW, you may have had a case if the majority of deaths in Iraq weren’t caused by other Muslims. Anyone to be prosecuted for the thousands killed in mosques, at the marketplace or for forcing Down syndrome kids and other innocents to strap bombs to their bodies and blow themselves up?


    lierbag

    26 Jan 2010, 9:37AM

    Visited http://www.arrestblair.org/ site with eager anticipation.

    Scrolled down Blair’s itinerary.

    Saw no sign of ‘grassy knoll’ in vicinity of any location.

    Logged off – hugely disappointed.


    OneManIsAnIsland

    26 Jan 2010, 9:40AM

    Anyone else spot the irony in the author asking other people to carry out an act of aggression towards an individual, not sanctioned by the law, and based on speculation?

    whatisquicksand

    26 Jan 2010, 9:41AM

    I have always found it interesting that those people, like George, who are insistent that this was an illegal war and profess a desire for peace are often the most vitriolic in their hatred of others. I’m afraid after his discredited shambles of an article about Copenhagen some time back nothing that this man writes can have any credence whatsoever. Send your tenner to the people of Haiti rather than following this peddler of hatred.


    JahWibble

    26 Jan 2010, 9:43AM

    I’m going to start a website calling for George Moonbat to be arrested and detained under section 136 of the Mental Health Act. This is perhaps the worst case of De-Clerambault’s-Syndrome we’ve seen in many a moon – sufferers do not usually call on others to join them in their stalking of the object of their obsessive devotion.


    NIG123

    26 Jan 2010, 9:44AM

    George better to have left a dictator alone than to intervene? Better to have him kill, oppress and torture, Better to leave him alone to destabilise the region, even if we can take him out. Better to go through the UN that stood by in Rwanda as 800.000 people were slaughtered, a UN that is incapable of en forcing the its own resolutions a UN that relies on the USA and UK to finance it. Maybe we can find a new dictator to replace Saddam and all will be right with the world once again. we live in an imperfect world, do we not?


    sayonara9

    26 Jan 2010, 10:31AM

    This article has nothing to do with Blair or his guilt. He will not be arrested. What might happen is that some brainless twit will take up Monbiot’s offer and possibly be badly injured. Worse, he might do it purely for money.

    Not that I would believe that guilt is part of the emotional lexicon of anyone behind this charade. That is Guardian management and lawyers.


    ARREST MONBIOT NOW


    Michael White’s question: Is it fair to blame Blair and Bush for continued violence in Iraq?

    His commenters answers: But of of course. (Well, at least he has published my comment there, pasted here in case!)

    No point reasoning with the unreasonable, Michael. They are the “WE ALL KNOWERS”.

    I expect most of them have sent their tenners to Monbiot in his attempt to (get someone else to) SORT OUT Mr Blair. Or what was it again? Oh, yes.

    Arrest. But of course.

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