Peter Reynolds excuses terrorism. Louise Bagshawe MP does not

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    25th March 2011

    ‘MY OL’ MATE’ LOSES HIS BALANCE


    SKEWING THE TRUTH

    [You might want to click here to read what shocked Louise Bagshawe and then pop back up here. This post is mainly around Peter Reynolds, for obvious reasons]

    I really don’t know where to start on this one. I kind of like Peter. Or at least I thought I did.

    We don’t know each other personally but in our online communications we have left comments at our respective blogs. And since, unlike a lot of extremists,  he doesn’t want to hang Tony Blair (thank God for that! I have enough of that lot to fight off) and he does realise that there are issues with at least some elements of Islam, I’ve kind of taken to him. Or so I thought.

    He’s a talented man. A published author he is presently writing a novel which is timely and sounds intriguing.  And he is a prime mover, in fact recently elected leader of a new political group/party dedicated to legalising cannabis.  So he isn’t short of a brain cell.  I assume. His book might just pay for his lost deposit. But that’s for him to worry about.

    But Peter’s rant here Nazionist Thugs Hide Behind Gaddafi is beyond belief.

    Beneath contempt. Unbelievably naive. Discreditable balderdash. Historically ignorant. Deplorable. Potentially perilous. And above all very, very worrying.

    Any pretence at balance has been skewed into oblivion in this post of his.  In my time I’ve been accused by one or two oddballs of being racist, and I won’t stoop so low as to accuse Peter of the same.  But he has clearly swallowed the left-wing worldview of Israel without letting it touch the insides of his cheeks. He hasn’t chewed on it long enough to spit it out in disgust.  He certainly hasn’t allowed his taste buds to linger on the poisonous effect on his intellectual digestive system.

    I could link to umpteen sources which would prove (though how can one prove anything to made-up minds?) that Peter is wrong in this determined effort to show Israel bad/illegitimate and the Palestinians good/victimised. There is little point.  Peter wouldn’t read them. Of course he expects that those who think Israel is by and large a good thing, should read any links he and like minds send us ‘proving’ the opposite and be instantly converted to the truth and the light. Won’t happen, Peter.

    In case you missed his post, let me offer some snippets and a light-touch analysis. (Yes, this is my go at “light touch”.)

    To get started it’s best if I let his words speak for themselves.

    THE DEPTHS OF EXTREMIST VIEWS

    Like all of us Peter has a right to take extreme positions.  I’ve been accused of the same myself.  It’s clearly the height of evil insanity and possibly dangerous to the future of mankind to actually believe in someone, since we all know the very purpose of blogs is to be ANTI. Worse still when a blog has the audacity to support someone who has spent most of his adult life serving his country! Good Lord! Whatever next? Democracy a la Arab Spring?

    But my time-consuming pastime aside, I have to tell you that I take gut-wrenching exception to those taking an extreme anti position towards Israel and Israelis, variously described thus by Peter -

    • “vicious Nazionist warmongers”
    • “Nazionist Israel is a foul slur on humanity”
    • “The Israelis are the real terrorists”
    • “Israeli fascists”
    • “they are the most despicable bullies in the Middle East.”
    • “Most of the responsibility for the human misery is theirs.”

    It evades me completely how Peter does not see that he is condemned by his own writings.  In response to a commenter he says -

    • “It [Israel] is the greatest single force of evil in the world.”

    That means it’s worse than “The Great Satan” – pre-Obama, of course.

    To another commenter, he says this -

    • “In my opinion, your perspective is biased, unjust, pompous, self-righteous and false. Nevertheless you’re welcome to come here and debate. [...] I really am surprised and disappointed in you. You’ve let yourself down.”

    Reading this, the words pot-kettle-black leapt into mind.

    CONTEMPTIBLE GRAUNIAD MORAL RELATIVISM

    If it wasn’t Peter Reynolds saying this I’d assume I’d accidentally wandered into the contemptible moral relativistic world of the everyday home-loving folks at Guardianisto Comment is Free Numptyland. I’d then treat it with the contempt it would deserve.

    In case you didn’t realise how in-tune he is with many in this country, Peter has had plenty of supportive comments at his site. But this comment would not have pleased him:

    Peter I feel as the head of the LCA its important that you have some sense of neutrality on such sensitive political issues that have nothing to do with cannabis, or you risk aliening your members, some of who voted for you!!!
    You mention in your rant that two Palestinian children were killed by shells. You don’t mention the family that was slaughter in there beds the youngest being a little baby.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/8402973/A-family-slaughtered-in-Israel-doesnt-the-BBC-care.html

    And he gets quite uppity to an American commenter who leaves him with this link from the viewpoint of a Palestinian – ‘The concept of the “evil Jew” has made a well-disguised comeback: Criticizing Israel and Zionists, is now deemed a legitimate option to cursing Jews and Judaism. Not only is it open, socially acceptable and legal, but it can actually bring prosperity and popularity.’

    In all fairness, Peter, Mudar Zahran (a Palestinain from Jordan) has your number. Read it, Peter. Then, take a long look in the mirror. http://www.hudson-ny.org/1979/anti-semitism-20

    Peter responds most politely(?) -

    “What is it with you pro-zionist, self-righteous smartarses? Have you forgotten your manners or have you just completely lost the ability to debate the issue rather than make personal attacks?”

    Manners? Personally I don’t quite see how that is “forgetting manners” considering what prejudiced bilge the  commenter is responding to.  Debate is hardly necessary when one reads the article from the Palestinian; “when one reads” being the operative phrase.

    DESPERATE SUICIDE BOMBERS … UNDERSTANDABLE … COURAGEOUS

    But if you think this know-all diatribe of argued reason as to why Israel is to blame for the world’s problems may be a touch reprehensible, take a look at this, also from Peter:

    • “Suicide bombing is a desperate but understandable response.  The courage of the Palestinian martyrs who choose this route is beyond doubt.”

    I don’t know about you but I denounce ANY sort of suicide bombing MURDER. “Martyr” themselves if they must, but not others for company on the journey.

    But to make sure we know he knows what he’s talking about Peter opines -

    • “Israel is responsible for far more death and misery and oppression than Gaddafi.”

    And just to prove he is a man of peace and love and that he wishes no one any personal harm, he states -

    • “We should be dropping Tomahawk missiles on Netanyahu’s head and on his airfields and war machinery.”

    But if none of the above gets your juices flowing, which it won’t if you also suffer from Reynolds Raddled Brain Syndrome, Peter tops it all with this -

    • “Nazionist Israel is a foul slur on humanity and the spineless Americans and British politicians who fail to defend Palestine are every bit as criminal as Gaddafi.”

    So that’s you told, evil, criminal allies of Israel. In other words most of the west.

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    Lest Peter and I are about to fall out over, well, something or other, let me just say this -

    NAZIONISM… ME OL’ MATE, ME OL’ CHUM… DOESN’T EXIST

    Today’s ‘Nazis’ are not the people in a state which holds its politicians accountable under the law. Recently a former Israeli prime minister was indicted in a court of law on corruption charges and a former president was imprisoned for seven years on sex charges. Does that happen in “Nazi” states?

    Today’s ‘Nazis’ are not the people who have been rocket-attacked for years while the world blamed the victims and not the perpetrators.

    Today’s ‘Nazis’, Peter, are the Islamist fundamentalists and YOU know it. They are not the residents of the only state in the Middle East that is a fully fledged, mature democracy where all citizens, Palestinians included, have the vote.

    Today’s ‘Nazis’ are people who belong to an ‘…ism’ which has not sufficiently discouraged this -

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    Pause for breath … breathe deeply

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    I pause before sending you to this site, OR DIRECTLY TO the video here. It is utterly sickening and for more than one reason, truly horrific. Please do not go there if your stomach isn’t iron-clad. You’ve been warned. (Source - “Al Qaeda’s Agenda: Recruit (Kill) the Children”)

    WARNING. THE MOST GRAPHIC AND SHOCKING VIDEO I HAVE EVER SEEN. AND BELIEVE ME I’VE SEEN FAR TOO MANY VIDEOS FROM MEMBERS OF THIS “ISM”

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    LOUISE BAGSHAWE, MP

    I am particularly grateful to a website called Honest Reporting. It pointed me to an article by this MP – Louise Bagshawe  – who actually noticed that the publicly funded BBC failed to mention this slaughter of an Israeli baby, two of her brothers and their parents. From Honest Reporting – Reuters redefines terrorist attack

    Reuters seems to be cut from the same mould as the Beeb; ignoring or spinning. Irresponsible behaviour.

    Yesterday Ms Bagshawe asked this at The Telegraph:

    ‘A family slaughtered in Israel – doesn’t the BBC care?’

    She referred particularly to one of the murdered children, Elad, at four years old, the same age as one of her own children.

    I could have told her the answer to her question.

    NO!  NO! NO!!! The BBC doesn’t care. Like the Guardian it reports nothing that might elucidate the minds of the anti-Israel brainwashed. These barbaric murders weren’t mentioned on BBC1′s Question Time,  Radio 4′s Any Questions or  BBC2′s Newsnight. Nor did it merit a one-minute slot on the BBC’s 24-hour news.

    The picture below shows little Elad after he was found with multiple stab wounds and his throat cut.

    What kind of animals can do this to this innocent child and his brother and their baby sister, a few months old, as well as their parents? The murderer(s) did not even have the “courage” to “martyr” themselves, Peter. [More of this family's slaughter here]

    Louise Bagshawe:

    “Who is Tamar Fogel? The chances are that you will have no idea. She is a 12-year-old girl who arrived home late on Friday, March 11, to discover her family had been slaughtered. Her parents had been stabbed to death; the throat of her 11-year-old brother, Yoav, had been slit. Her four-year-old brother, Elad, whose throat had also been cut, was still alive, with a faint pulse, but medics were unable to save him. Tamar’s sister, Hadas, three months old, had also been killed. Her head had been sawn off.

    There were two other Fogel brothers sleeping in an adjacent room. When woken by their big sister trying to get into a locked house, Roi, aged six, let her in. After Tamar discovered the bodies, her screaming alerted their neighbour who rushed in to help and described finding two-year-old Yishai desperately shaking his parents’ blood-soaked corpses, trying to wake them up.

    I found out about the barbaric attack not on BBC news, but via Twitter on Monday. I followed a link there to a piece by Mark Steyn entitled “Dead Jews is no news’. Horrified, I went to the BBC website to find out more. There I discovered only two stories: one a cursory description of the incident in Itamar, a West Bank settlement, and another focusing on Israel’s decision to build more settlements, which mentioned the killings in passing.

    Like many of us, I consider the BBC to be a national treasure. I am not a BBC basher; I have never before complained. I do not support nor do I condone the Israeli settlement building. But none of that matters. This is a story about three children and their parents, slain with incredible cruelty, and its effect on the peace process. As a mother, I am shocked at the silence. As a politician, I am dismayed at the apparent bias and indifference. Yes, I will be filing a complaint – about a story I never heard. I hope Daily Telegraph readers will join me.” [More here]

    Louise Bagshawe is MP for Corby and East Northamptonshire

    Back to start

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    Forget crooked politicians, Peter, we are being manipulated by a crowd of uncaring, dishonest and dishonourable  journalists and broadcasters of the ultra-left anti-Israel faction.

    I know I shouldn’t be feeling grateful that ONE MP has mentioned it. (Tony Blair condemned it too, but he’s no longer an MP. )  Apart from Ms Bagshawe and Mr Blair no other public figure seems to give a damn. They sure as hell noticed!

    I should be bloody furious. And I am. Ms Bagshawe is a new MP and has not been around long enough to understand that mention anything which shows sympathy, even empathy for Israel and its people and you’re out of the promotion running. Yes, even in the Conservative party.

    Still, this is a start. It means that at least ONE of our MPs is noticing BBC bias.  She is almost alone.

    Also from Honest Reporting – Stories the media missed

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    36 Responses to “Peter Reynolds excuses terrorism. Louise Bagshawe MP does not”

    1. charlie Says:

      Well said.

    2. charlie Says:

      I have seen several videos like that TB. Peter is a dishonest subversive lefty hiding as a Tory supporter IMO. He is constantly being a hypocrite and often walks away from questions.

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        Thanks Charlie. I expect Peter will get back to me with suitable competing videos of Israeli “atrocities”. What he never seems to notice is that Israeli attacks are co-ordinated military operations and in their own defence. NOT in order to murder little children.

        Even when boarding the Mavi Marmara their soldiers had already boarded 5 or 6 ships without incident or confrontation. They were attacked on that last ship (captured on video) by Turkish weapon-wielding Islamist fundamentalists PURELY in order to incite a reaction which they would then use as propaganda all over the anti-Israel western press.

        Imho, the most worrying aspect of all of this is that the general consensus worldwide – the zeitgeist – certainly in most of the British press, is that Israel/Israelis/Jews are seen as the problem. What that facile and wrong-headed conclusion means is that people turn away from joining up the dots (worldwide) to see the REAL problem.

        You can see it every day in BBC reports on the current unrest where journalists on the ground only rarely refer to the threats to these emerging “democracies” in the Middle East from Islamist extremist groupings such as the Muslim Brotherhood.

        In their naivety our journalists have done a cut and paste job, transferring OUR idea of democracy and freedom onto the people who are calling for the removal of their dictatorial leaders.

        Don’t get me wrong – I’m all for removing dictatorial regimes – it’s just an interesting aside that a lot of the rebels and demonstrators have a habit of shouting “Allahu Akbar” as they go about their business.

        Democracy in the west was aided on its LONG journey on the foundations of “love thy neighbour” Christianity. I accept that. So what makes us think that “kill thy neighbour” Islam (Iran/Syria etc) will not form the foundation of the emerging “democracies” in the Middle East? It has to be based on SOME values.

        Meanwhile tiny Israel sits in the middle of all of this. Its childrens throats are slit and the west (BBC/Guardian/AND nearly all of our politicians) hardly remark on it.

    3. charlie Says:

      I got to say that video, what kind of inhuman animals can make a child do that, truly in need of removal from the species?

      Peter is not a bad bloke really but he is a proper hypocrite. I have had my fair share of “debates” with him (before he blocked me on FB) and he uses the same old tactics over and over, undermine, denial, name-calling, contradiction etc. That is when he is not simply walking away from a straight question. I even agreed on certain points of the drug legalisation debate, but he simply will not see reason other than his own if you bring up a sensible argument.

      My favourite is when you do a “Paxman” on him and repeat the same question or point over and over because he refuses to give a straight answer, he then considers you a Troll :-)

      Next time I have a Coffee with him I can see us ending up in a bitch-slap over who gets the biggest Marshmallow in the choco-latte something or another…:-)

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        @ charlie – interesting that you actually know Peter and yet he called you a ‘right charlie’ in response to one of your comments.

        As for that dreadful video, as you probably know, this is only ONE example of the generational brainwashing that is going on in many parts of the world in the name of Islam. In Palestinian schools children as young as 4 and 5 are taught how to kill Israelis – and then they present it all to their adoring parents, just to make Mum & Dad proud.

    4. charlie Says:

      P.S don’t even get me started on Islam in general and this Country..ggggrrrrrr

    5. keeptonyblairforpm Says:

      But whatever we do, we mustn’t wake anyone up, charlie -

      Shhhhh…

    6. charlie Says:


      I prefer this one :-)

      Yeah Peter calls me all sorts:-) I only know him briefly as we met for coffee and bump into each other as I live near him. He knows it is me behind any name I post under because I give enough hints, these hints generally come in the form of not agreeing with him and standing on a point until it is answered instead of just saying yes to everything like most LOL!

      I just keep the ol bugger on his toes :-)

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        Suggs? Funny-ish, I suppose. But the Beatles are the greatest. The greatest!!! Bar none. It’s too fast in this version, imho. When Lennon sings “I’m still Y-A-W-N-I-N-G” he is doing it at the right pace – waking up speed.

        Anyway, let’s not fall out over this since we agree on other important things. Btw, have seen Paul McCartney on tour not long ago. Fantastic show. He didn’t go off the stage for 3 hours and sang every number. The place was packed with people of all ages – 10 year-olds to 70 year-olds, possibly older.

        Wonder if Peter has responded to me. Must check.

    7. charlie Says:

      McCartney is good no doubt, appeals to all. Peter is probably in a state of despair currently as several have disagreed with him instead of just me, I am sure he is away in his dark dungeon formulating his “Schlock and Awe” campaign right now :-)

      Have you seen “Infidel” movie yet?

    8. charlie Says:

      It is quite funny, touches on all the Jew-Muslim issues with a bit of comedy:-)

    9. Charlie Says:

      I notice he has not left a comment here in redress? :-)

    10. charlie Says:

      Made a new post he has, that’s his way of saying, “oh look over there” lets ignore that shall we ;-) This coming from a man who declared publicly, “I never walk away form a question.” LOL If I can tear him up think what a professional can do?

      Ask him, as a Man who is constantly slagging of the banks and spouting the usual speil of “capitalism” blah blah, how come he claims to have worked for the likes of Sacchi and Sacchi and says, when questioned about why he cannot live without a bank account…”it’s impossible these days”

      Wow what a leader, what a revolutionary!!

      I have been without account or card for several years after I fucked the bank over, not the other way around…so why can’t he?

      Snake oil and soothsayers. Pretenders and false prophets.

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