Message for the Selfless … er … Selfish Left: War is NOT the Worst thing. Value-less living tops it

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17th November, 2008

To all Guardianistos, ‘Independent’ commenters, fully signed-up Civil & Human Righters without a nod to the human condition:

War is coming … as it always has come … and always will; sometimes for the right reasons. It is part of the human condition, as are love and hate.

(In 1968, historians Will and Ariel Durant calculated that there had been only 268 years free of war in the previous 3,421 years. Certainly, there have been no years without war since.)

There is ALWAYS a war somewhere in this world. Work out where you stand on this, and why, before you judge OUR side as in the wrong.

Something to do with “values”?

(Read lyrics of “I’d love to change the world” here

Quote from John Stuart Mill:

“But war, in a good cause, is not the greatest evil which a nation can suffer. War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth a war, is worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice – a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice – is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.”

Read more on John Stuart Mill here

John Stuart Mill (20 May 1806 – 8 May 1873), British philosopher, political economist, civil servant and Member of Parliament, was an influential liberal thinker of the 19th century. He was an exponent of utilitarianism, an ethical theory developed by Jeremy Bentham, although his conception of it was very different from Bentham’s.

Mill on “Liberty”

This – “A World Without War” is an imagined retrospective from the year 2047 and poses some interesting thoughts. If the ‘Grand Stalemate’ becomes reality, it seems we can thank President George W. Bush.

When asked what he thought history would make of him, President Bush replied: “History? In history, we’re all dead”.

Well, maybe, Mr Bush. Read on …


THE OMNI-PRESENCE OF A MAN OF PRESENCE

IF YOU’D LIKE YOUR PRESENCE TO BE FELT AFTER YOU HAVE DEPARTED THIS MORTAL COIL, CONSIDER THIS:

THE CONSISTENT ATTENDER – NO APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE in 176 YEARS!

Jeremy Bentham, to this day, is invariably recorded as having been in attendance of meetings of the University College of London council, even though he has been dead since 1832.

jeremy_bentham_auto-icon

Jeremy Bentham - dead but not ignored. Still present at meetings, and occasionally voting, after his death 176 years ago

He still has the deciding vote -and always in favour of the motion.

Trust reciprocated down the centuries. Now that’s what I call a lasting and positive influence.

Excerpt from Wikipedia:

‘As requested in his will, his body was preserved and stored in a wooden cabinet, termed his “Auto-icon“. Originally kept by his disciple Dr. Southwood Smith,[13] it was acquired by University College London in 1850. The Auto-icon is kept on public display at the end of the South Cloisters in the main building of the College. For the 100th and 150th anniversaries of the college, the Auto-icon was brought to the meeting of the College Council, where he was listed as “present but not voting”.[14] Tradition holds that if the council’s vote on any motion is tied, the auto-icon always breaks the tie by voting in favour of the motion.

The Auto-icon has always had a wax head, as Bentham’s head was badly damaged in the preservation process. The real head was displayed in the same case for many years, but became the target of repeated student pranks including being stolen on more than one occasion. It is now locked away securely.

There is a plaque on Queen Anne’s Gate, Westminster commemorating the house where Bentham lived, which at the time was called Queen’s Square Place.’


ONLY IN AMERICA … BRITAIN

And to think that regarding most idiosyncratic aspects of human nature we tend to think – “only in America”. The Americans evidently learned their craft at the feet of their erstwhile British Masters. Any suggestions as to who might volunteer to continue this good old British tradition, and where a new such presence should be situated?

E-mails to Number 10 Downing Street, please. Or perhaps The White House.

Then again, lightning never strikes twice. Or does it?


I’D LOVE TO CHANGE THE WORLD

Everywhere is freaks and hairies
Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity
Tax the rich, feed the poor
‘Til there are no rich no more

I’d love to change the world
But I don’t know what to do
So I’ll leave it up to you

Population keeps on breeding
Nation bleeding, still more feeding economy
Life is funny, skies are sunny
Bees make honey, who needs money, No none for me

I’d love to change the world
But I don’t know what to do
So I’ll leave it up to you

Oh yeah!

World pollution, there’s no solution
Institution, electrocution
Just black and white, rich or poor
Senators stop the war

I’d love to change the world
But I don’t know what to do
So I’ll leave it up to you




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3 Responses to “Message for the Selfless … er … Selfish Left: War is NOT the Worst thing. Value-less living tops it”

  1. Grundoon Says:

    Very interesting. But we already have something like this here in the US. It’s Chicago where the dead vote regularly and often. We just don’t keep them on display.

  2. keeptonyblairforpm Says:

    Cue for a song …

    Chic – KAGO, Chic -Kago

    Now who’s from the windy city, I wonder?

    Are you sure you don’t display them?

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