Calling All Men – Ban the intimidating, insulting burqa & niqab

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    30th June, 2009

    The French President, Nicolas Sarkozy of a country where it seems few wear the burqa, has thrown the cat among the proverbial. Glad to see some European leader has the guts!

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    The French parliament is expected to consider both the burqa, as above, where the eyes are covered by a fabric mesh, and the niqab, which has an eye slit. (Reuters)

    THE EYES BEHIND THE BLACKNESS

    I caught a TV audience discussion programme on Sunday, The Big Questions, where the (male) anchorman, Nicky Campbell asked the eyes sitting behind the blackness (paraphrased) –

    “You say it is to stop men ‘lusting after you.’ In Britain where we believe in equality, why don’t we men wear them, in case the women here lust after us?”

    The niqab-wearing woman, Um Abdullah, was dumbstruck for some time, eventually saying something to the effect, “I hadn’t thought of that.”

    She said her mode of dress was a requirement of her religion, Islam. She insisted that she had chosen to wear it by her own free will, and hadn’t been forced by others, mainly men. Quite how it can be a “requirement” but one can at the same time CHOOSE must be logic subtlety hidden to all but those behind the blackness, and their masters.

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    David Cameron, Conservative leader, said yesterday that niqabs like this, showing only the eyes, are quite acceptable in Britain! Wrong again, Mr Cameron.

    A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE?

    The women’s rights argument is argued forcefully by both sides.  Forget the facile “women’s rights” debate. That is circular and can be used BOTH ways. It is also meant to appeal to the confused PC brigade. Many of us in Britain have had enough of  their confusion.

    On that same programme a British non-Muslim academic who had studied Islam and the koran for 40 years in BOTH Arabic and English insisted that only “modest dress” is called for in the koran rather than the ‘body bag’. He was told by some idiot who thought he’d read the mysterious koran better to go off and study Islam for another 40 years.

    SAFEGUARD MUSLIM CHILDREN’S HEALTH

    These women are also robbing their own bodies of vitamin D which the rest of us soak up from sunlight. How many weakened immune systems result from this, costing our National Health Service millions to try to remedy? How many generations of girls are being subjected to illnesses because of this? Is THAT protecting their RIGHTS and those of their daughters?

    MEN’S RIGHTS

    The burka/niqab is intimidating, is threatening, is separatist,  is a generational health threat to females, is a sign of inequality and can be used as a disguise by men with criminal intent. (Its use by Islamist men, suspected or intending terrorists to disguise themselves and pass through customs is well recorded.)

    Above all, these modes of dress are insulting to MEN.

    Don’t flatter yourselves, my dear Pairs of Eyes, that you are SO-O-O-O irresistibly attractive that you and all men need this kind of medieval protection. Not in Britain you don’t. Can’t speak for the sexual fantasies of all Middle East men, of course!

    And, since you insist it is YOUR choice, don’t insult men by insisting that you are so attractive. Modesty, in the good old-fashioned British way is wider that this. It encompasses more than just sex-obsessed certainties.

    YOU’RE NOT OUR TYPE

    The bad news for you, burqa/niqab inhabitants is that you are certainly NOT attractive in any way to most men in Britain, covered or, possibly, uncovered.

    This insult to non-Muslim men, indeed even Muslim men in Britain must stop. It’s time British men of all religions and none stood up and said so.

    This is OUR country first, second and last, with a liberal western culture you moved here to (presumably) embrace.  If there was ANY other reason for coming here, explain it. Or ask your menfolk – then work it out.

    Women in our British culture do not hide themselves away, nor do they need to, from the presumably sex-mad male population. If you don’t  like it – leave. There are many countries more suited to your medieval, primitive beliefs.

    Our liberalism has had and has given ENOUGH.

    Also debated today on Woman’s Hour, BBC Radio 4, with the very same Um Abdullah holding forth.  (Visit the site to listen again for 7 days.)


    To summarise – I consider myself pretty liberal as regards social mores. But with the spread of the burqa in MY country, Britain, I think it is clear we got it wrong – VERY wrong.

    It’s simple:  to any Muslim woman who wants to live here – leave the ‘body bag’ behind. You won’t have to ask your husband if he’s OK with that, as it is YOUR choice, you keep telling us.

    This form of dress has NO place in our society, none whatsoever.  Just as shorts and t-shirt would have no place for western women on the streets of Saudi Arabia. Our women would not dream of wearing such apparel in strict Islamic dress-code lands. WE in Britain now need to insist on the same kind of restrictions here.

    The alternative is clear.

    Burqa/niqab clad women in Britain need to choose AGAIN.

    Choose wisely.

    Is this photo session a set-up? Of course not. It’s just a waste of a camera click and a waste of female lives. DREADFUL STUFF.

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    Thanks to BlairFoundation Blogspot for the mention.

    [Please note, neither this site nor, I presume, Blair Foundation Blaogspot, claim to reflect Mr Blair’s personal beliefs on this, or indeed on any issue, except where quoting from his actual, or, as reported words. Despite the blog name I can assure you that this site is NOT an extension of Mr Blair’s thought processes.]

    RELATED

    Muslim schoolgirls have been told to remove their niqab face veils on a visit to a Catholic school in Jack Straw’s constituency today. Their teacher refused to remove hers, setting an interesting example. She was not permitted entry. That’s a start. From now on – NO ENTRY to Britain for burqa wearers, please. The mainstream party which adopts this policy may well get my vote in the next election. Also see The Mail report here.




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    48 Responses to “Calling All Men – Ban the intimidating, insulting burqa & niqab”

    1. sandraraven Says:

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    2. Ex Terror Chief: Contempt of Court Act damages public perception of Police & Government « Tony Blair Says:

      […] 3. The freedom with which we allow Muslims who live here to intimidate the natives with their black SHROUDS.  We should BAN such separating and imprisoning modes of female dress – see here. […]

    3. Quietzapple Says:

      Not sure that the veil is necessarily demeaning, or threatening, but the burqa definitely is not in many instances, although anything can be used as a weapon of oppression if intent and receptivity are in effect. From Wiki:

      A burqa (Arabic pronunciation: [ˈbʊrqa]; also transliterated burkha, burka or burqua from Arabic: برقع‎ burqu‘ ) is an enveloping outer garment worn by women in some Islamic traditions for the purpose of cloaking the entire body. It is worn over the usual daily clothing (often a long dress or a shalwar kameez) and removed when the woman returns to the sanctuary of the household (see purdah).

      In hot weather many muslim weather take considerable advantage of the enveloping nature of the burqa I gather, not necessarily wearing ordinary clothes underneath. I seem to recall that some women and men wear the sarong, usually on the beach, is that to follow, or are the muslims to be singled out?

      Druidic robes ban shocker, anyone?

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        Perhaps I look at this from a slightly different angle than you do, QZ. Whatever, I intensely dislike the full burka. I feel that it IS a weapon of male control over women.

        But my main concerns are in some ways more selfish. (If wanting to preserve one’s own country’s culture is “selfish”.)

        I find the burka intimidating, separating, vain and frankly rude. They are a symbol of an external culture where women know their place – almost as children here did centuries ago – to be seen and not heard. Only this time “not seen”. CRAZY that any of them put up with it.

        And I DO take exception to the nonsensical idea that Muslim women are SO irresistible that British men must be prevented from seeing them. To put it bluntly – and at the risk of being called all sorts of names – “YUCK!”

        Yes, Muslims are to be singled out here.

        Other “religions” do not threaten us or bring in sharia courts or support such atrocious, treacherous behaviour as Anjem Choudary’s or hide under clothing to sneak onto planes.

        So, yes, IMHO, Muslims ARE to be singled out. At least until Muslims sort out their fundamentalists, and even then, until they sort out their cultural allegiances when moving to the west.

        Britain is NOT a Muslim land, and never will be as long as we recognise and control what is happening.

        Walked down Edgware Road recently, QZ? No wonder Tony Blair, who lives just round the corner, spends so much time in the Middle East. He’s more likely to meet a mixed population there.

    4. Quietzapple Says:

      I gather that muslim women do not all agree with you, and the advantages include the one I set out.

      According to Jeremy Hardy, who is most likely better informed re muslim woman than you or I, they are not quite so uniformly submissive as you suggest.

      I’ve lived with muslims, shared a flat with some (all male) and worked in areas where there are fair few muslims. I’ve not lived in Wales or Scotland though, and am quite clear I would find either of those places strange to do other than visit.

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        It’s clear as day that they don’t all agree with me. But our doctors’ surgeries would have fewer women and girls from the Muslim communities needing Vitamin D supplements because of lack of sunlight on their bodies if they let the sun shine in.

        I’ve been accused by AN Other commenter here that I am down on Muslims. I’m not. But what I am is down on those who suppress women’s rights or those who practise brainwashing.

        I must be a feminist, eh!?

        You would not find either Wales or Scotland strange, QZ. I can vouch for that. The people there are just like most of us.

    5. a burka wearer how about that! Says:

      like us or not! we wear it because we want to emulate the early muslim female generation during the time of the prohphecy. some wore it some did not but what we muslim women have in common is that we have our own interpretation of respect and dignity revealed to us in the quran. look around you, the most beautiful treasures in the world are simply not on display. pearls, gems, diamonds etc they are sought after through hours, months or years of labour. they are buried away in clams, caves, rivers whilst the low quality and temporalily pretty wither away and loses it beauty like flowers. simlarly women all around the world regardless of faith are valued more than anything in this world and we honour ourselves by maintaining a level of modesty.

      our religion allows us to increase our faith and rewards by action whether interior or exterior. and we are not dictated by man. we care more about what god thinks of us and whether our lord pleased by our actions.

      you claim you have read the quran, but judging from you limited knowledge on this blog i can deduce that you have only skimmed a page or two and got your sources from ignorant people. if you had read the quran you would have read the passage where god all mighty talks about the hijab ( covering) of the women, regarding the wives of the prophet and concerning all women. it tells us to draw veils in order to not be molested or annoyed.

      but it does not end there ,the quran mentions in various places for men and women to lower their gaze. men have their own hijab as well which is from the navel to their knees. the reason why a women has more to cover is because out of the two she is the most vunerable. a women can never physically harm a man like how he can. the guidline in place for the women is basically plan b incase he trangresses and does not lower his gaze.

      we dont cover simply because you might fancy us! we know you wont and we wont ever fancy you either! . we cover because we are being obedient to our creator.

      ps although you claimed your not racist, you’re definetly a dictionary description of a xenophobiac. hate us or not will continue to exist, be part of your every day life through life and media, and you will surely see the error of your ways in the afterlife just remember me that day.

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        ‘a burka wearer how about that!’ said:

        simlarly women all around the world regardless of faith are valued more than anything in this world and we honour ourselves by maintaining a level of modesty.

        Good for you, to be so content, so valued and so honoured – ‘a burka wearer how about that!’

        I am not convinced that women are valued more than anything else by Islam in this world. Only in Islam are they stoned/beheaded/hanged for adultery. And only now, for the first time, and due to pressure, has the Islamic Republic decided to ‘honour’ women enough to make one a cabinet minister.

        But perhaps to you, ‘a burka wearer how about that!’, that kind of honour and value is not important. Your ambitions are small, as they are meant to be, and as they have been laid down to be in your good books.

        You also said:

        our religion allows us to increase our faith and rewards by action whether interior or exterior. and we are not dictated by man. we care more about what god thinks of us and whether our lord pleased by our actions.

        Of course you are not “dictated to by man”. It is what “God” thinks, told to you by a man and other men – Mohammed and his followers, that matters. How malleable you seem to be.

        I am sure the men running your religion are mightily relieved at this. It is always useful to have compliant minds at one’s disposal. And somehow or other you are convinced that your “Lord” is pleased by your actions (or inactions.)

        Again, good for you, ‘a burka wearer how about that!’

        You also said:

        you claim you have read the quran

        WRONG again. I have no, that’s ZERO interest in reading the Quran.

        I have read snippets of it – both good and bad. Good and bad as also exist in the Bible and in the books of other religions.

        As for your quote from it:

        if you had read the quran you would have read the passage where god all mighty talks about the hijab ( covering) of the women, regarding the wives of the prophet and concerning all women. it tells us to draw veils in order to not be molested or annoyed.

        This instruction from the Quran regarding clothing is disputed by other Muslims, as you will surely know. So kindly leave a weblink where open minds can check its authenticity.

        Personally, I STILL see it as an insult to ALL men and particularly to non-Muslim men that they need to be protected from themselves whenever they see women unveiled. What a maladjusted creature God created that in order to VALUE and HONOUR women they mustn’t see them!

        And what a maladjusted female gender too for going along with this fascist-like control of half Islam’s followers.

        You also gave us this inspired information:

        but it does not end there ,the quran mentions in various places for men and women to lower their gaze. men have their own hijab as well which is from the navel to their knees. the reason why a women has more to cover is because out of the two she is the most vunerable. a women can never physically harm a man like how he can. the guidline in place for the women is basically plan b incase he trangresses and does not lower his gaze.

        Men’s “own” hijab it seems, is what men in most religions and societies use for basic modesty and courtesy. Hardly limiting, in comparison to the burka.

        And there’s this – the last refuge of he/she defeated in argument:

        ps although you claimed your not racist, you’re definetly a dictionary description of a xenophobiac. hate us or not will continue to exist, be part of your every day life through life and media, and you will surely see the error of your ways in the afterlife just remember me that day.

        I am simply NOT racist or xenophobic. I do not hate you. I do not hate anyone. It is your religion, not your race, with which I have disagreements or at least as yet unanswered questions.

        I have come across this kind of xenophobic accusation here in Britain in my professional life, not directed personally to me but to others. It is NEVER true, or hardly ever true, and needs to be stamped on as utter nonsense.

        You, are talking rubbish ‘a burka wearer how about that!’, if you think describing someone as “racist” puts the final line under any discussion of a religion’s limitations within society. It DOES NOT.

        And this little gem is worthy of a repeat showing:

        hate us or not will continue to exist, be part of your every day life through life and media, and you will surely see the error of your ways in the afterlife just remember me that day.

        Let me try to get this message inside your dark and dull burka:

        I don’t CARE what you or others of your inclination wish to wear in your own lands. But I DO care if you want to live here in MY country, Britain. When I choose to visit an Islamic land, or if I was ever deluded enough to want to move to such a land, I would be expected to comply with their societal codes, whether I agreed with them or not. I know that all Islamic countries are NOT as strict with this code as others, and for that I suppose we westerners should be grateful.

        But just remember this – there is NO western land where people are limited in any way in what they wear, whether we see it as a sign of subjugation or not.

        There SHOULD be limitations, in my opinion, ‘a burka wearer how about that!’, but there isn’t. We are far too humanitarian and far too liberal for that.

        People like you abuse our liberalism and our hospitality by caring not one iota about the effect your insulting clothing has on the host countries or their peoples.

        People like you are selfish, self-centred, and self-obsessed, in my humble opinion, ‘a burka wearer how about that!’

        So how about that?!

        You may at present be part of our everyday life but I would not count on that position perpetuating endlessly. Liberal, secular, inclusive countries will only take so many insults and so much abuse in the name of religion or anything else detrimental to the rights of ALL of society’s members.

        As for the “afterlife” – since I do not consider myself susceptible to brainwashing, and I do not feel the presence of a deity, I take the only intellectually viable position. I am agnostic on religion and its God(s).

        But if there is an afterlife, you can be sure of one thing: I will NOT be thinking of you!

        If there is NO afterlife, you on the other hand, will be unable to think of me or anything, which is probably just as well.

        So, given that your God presumably gave you FREE WILL (or did HE?… “HE” being the operative word), do your thinking now and see the error of your ways while you still can, ‘a burka wearer how about that!’

    6. a burka wearer how about that! Says:

      btw, Britian is not yours. Britian is a mongrel society. through history various ethnicities lived on the island, romans, normans, celts and anglo saxons. varitey of ethnicities flocked to the country over a thousand years ago. you can’t call it your own.

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        Britain is OURS, foolish child.

        For two thousnad years it has been Christian with older, other faiths losing power and yet others who did not threaten – Judaism for instance – taking their place within its society.

        By your statement you remind us that, (as elucidated many times by Anjem Choudary and his ilk), Islam recognises NO land-based boundaries. Its aim is an Islamic CALIPHATE, worldwide, with NO limits.

        Britain and western lands DO not think in those terms.

        As for being a mongrel country – true. But at no time did ANY incoming peoples attempt to ALTER our Christain based society. Or rather, if they tried, they were defeated by the natives. Today Islam is, imho, using Britain as a trojan horse for its ambitions to dominate the world through a religious/political creed. It will NOT be successful in this, no matter how quietly or noisily it tries.

        I CAN AND DO call Britain MY LAND. And I always will. It is certainly NOT yours.

    7. a burka wearer how about that! Says:

      i would like to say i am not vitamin deficient there goes another stereotype…you can get enough vitamin by opening your curtains and windows at home during daylight and that is advised to everyone not just muslim women.

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        VITAMIN DEFICIENCY:

        What rubbish you proclaim as fact. No-one at any time in Britain – no government agency or NHS board has ever told we Brits to open curtains and windows to get vitamins. I have lived here ALL my life AS HAVE NUMEROUS GENERATIONS before me, and I have never heard such nonsense. Sensible British people would laugh at this.

        IT IS RUBBISH.

        Vitamin D comes from direct sunlight – ON THE SKIN. You need to get out there and uncover parts of your body – the face, the arms the legs.

        You evidently need some to replenish parts of your brain that tend to distort the truth (on several matters.)

    8. a burka wearer how about that! Says:

      i guess quietzapple is the only person who thinks outside the box and open minded, there seems alot of ethnocentrism is coming out of lot of people either that or lack of knowledge. unless you lived with muslims like quietzapple or studied islam intensively, its customs and traditions and ackowledging that many muslim countries are sometimes heavily influenced by cultrual traditions and rituals rather than islam can people truly understand our actions rather explaining how we feel or how our religion “treats” women. A religion which subjugates women would never proclaim that the best of all men is one who is kindest to his wife. or a father who has daughters and grows them up to be religious will be rewarded heavily.

      people seem to look at other negative things that are cultural like forced marriages, FGM etc and claim it is from islam and others make positive aspects of islam into some negative like polgamy. it was put in place for the rights of women. when a man goes into polgamy he is advised to marry a divorcee or widower and look after her and her children. if you look in todays society the ratio of men is less than women, should some of these women die as a spinster? without no love or family of her own? or should widowers be expected to never marry again?
      now that is a cruel thing.

      although it is recommended in islam to marry one woman he can marry in 2,3 or 4 providing they are all given the same attention and care and financial means. this practice existed well before islam, during christanity and judaism. prophet solomon had a hundred!
      islam is a way of life that protects both women, men, children, the poor, the orphan. the first welfare system was created by the muslims, by the companion of the prophet.

      so why is the muslim always frowned upon for their actions? step back and think people there answers are there! dont get caught up in your own cultrual expectations of us.

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        I will be brief – DO please, if you want to live in Britain, do PLEASE get caught up in our cultural expectations of you. Vice-versa it will NOT work. PC Britain has had enough.

        Otherwise, there’s an airport near you.

    9. Grundoon Says:

      I think I know why the women enjoy wearing the “body bag”. Then they can check out all the hot looking non-muslim guys without anybody knowing about. Did all you muslim men ever think about that? While you think your wife, sister, daughter, etc are honoring you by wearing that black shroud when what they are really doing is checking out the local guys. Bet you never even thought about that.

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        Maybe a little heavy, Grundoon. But it is interesting to note that Muslims too can be taken down a peg from their moralistic high-horse if minds are switched in this direction.

        And since we in the west are often refrerrd to by some as lacking in moral fibre, I think you have every right to cast a stone back.

    10. Quietzapple Says:

      I’ve agreed with some of what the muslim lady has said, and thank you to her for a rare compliment.

      I hope she agrees that muslim women wear the burka for various reasons, just as there are differing versions of the muslim religion, and just as there are different versions of christianity, indeed some who call themselves christians who are not christian at all in my opinion.

      Hope to find time to read through all she has written again.

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