British Foreign Secretary David Miliband defends terrorism. SACK HIM!’

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    16th August, 2009

    MY TERRORIST GOOD, YOURS BAD?

    EXPLAIN YOURSELF, MR MILIBAND – WE’RE ALL EARS

    I’ve been watching and participating in British politics for some years now. Rarely, if ever from a government minister have I read anything like this (linked from The Mail):

    Asked by presenter Matthew Parris whether there were any circumstances in which terrorism was justified, Mr Miliband said: ‘Yes, there are circumstances in which it is justifiable, and yes, there are circumstances in which it is effective.’

    DAVID MILLIBAND

    David Milliband, Foreign Secretary, in his office at the Foreign Office, London. Picture: Martin Godwin Date: 12/6/09

    SACK HIM, GORDON

    Unlike many I understand that politics can be complex; that black and white makes grey. But from a government minister this is unbelievable, unacceptable and I believe unprecedented.

    In one fell swoop the Foreign Secretary has given the green light to ALL TERRORISTS worldwide to get on with it, because in ‘circumstances’ it is justifiable and effective! Even as our soldiers fight terrorism and die in Afghanistan we are told that there are “circumstances”!

    The present prime minister needs to sack this man! He won’t of course, because as a would-be successor, Miliband might then attract a few more supporters if Brown dumps him.

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    MILIBAND’S APPROACH TO FOREIGN POLICY

    I seem to recall that Miliband was, reportedly, against Tony Blair’s decision on the Iraq invasion.  Presumably THOSE terrorists should have been left to their own devices? Instead Iraq is a Blair success story. Oh yes it is!

    It always seemed odd to me that Mr Blair was, reportedly keen on Miliband succeeding him if his anti-Iraq war position is accurate. Perhaps it showed the paucity of political talent and nous in the Blair-less Labour party, as I have long contested. If HE, Miliband, was the best on offer to challenge Brown, may Blair’s God preserve us!

    And right now as Brown fights to keep the country onboard the mission in Afghanistan, this is the last thing he needs.

    This is a clue to Miliband’s position, and ANOTHER reason he should be sacked:

    “At one point in the programme, Gillian Slovo suggested that if her father was to be termed a ‘terrorist’, then so should ‘the Bush administration for going into Iraq’ because it was using ‘terror to pursue political ends’. Mr Miliband did not contest her assertion – despite the Blair Government’s role in the invasion.”

    WRONG! WRONG! WRONG … Mr Miliband!

    A DEMOCRATICALLY elected government’s decision is THE EXACT OPPOSITE FROM TERRORIST ACTION.

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    The former has the mandate of the voters, whether or not we all agree – that’s democracy for you. The latter has the mandate of the terrorist group only – in other words, NO POLITICAL MANDATE.

    In Miliband’s defence I recall a staunch left-wing Labour member of long-standing I knew some time ago who always referred to Nelson Mandela and the ANC as “terrorists.”

    In black and white terms this was inarguable. Thatcher’s government had always said it would not deal with terrorists, and that position was intellectually sound and consistent in its own terms. But most of us in Britain and the west saw the incarcerated Mr Mandela as a hero, and still do. Thus Miliband’s dilemma? As devil’s advocate I might say – maybe.  But he could and should still have shot down the “Bush terror” claim.

    He didn’t.

    Some of us noticed.


    More on this from Glen Owen at The Mail:

    Mr Miliband was speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Great Lives programme, in which he chose to pay tribute to the South African anti-apartheid activist Joe Slovo – a friend of Mr Miliband’s father, the academic Ralph Miliband.

    Mr Slovo, who shared Miliband senior’s belief in Marxist ideology, was one of the leaders of Umkhonto we Sizwe (Spear of the Nation), the armed military wing of the ANC.

    Asked by presenter Matthew Parris whether there were any circumstances in which terrorism was justified, Mr Miliband said: ‘Yes, there are circumstances in which it is justifiable, and yes, there are circumstances in which it is effective.’

    He added: ‘The importance for me is that the South African example proved something remarkable: the apartheid regime looked like a regime that would last forever, and it was blown down.

    It is hard to argue that, on its own, a political struggle would have delivered. The striking at the heart of a regime’s claim on a monopoly of power, which the ANC’s armed wing represented, was very significant.’

    Last night, Shadow Foreign Secretary William Hague said the remarks were ill-judged. He said: ‘Ministers must be very careful before advancing any argument that seems to legitimise terrorism in some circumstances.

    When so much of the efforts of our security services, and the sacrifices of our troops in Afghanistan, are devoted to defeating terrorists, this is hardly the time to argue that terrorism is sometimes acceptable.’
    Read more:

    More from the Mail article here

    And this by Nile Gardiner  at The Telegraph

    The Foreign Secretary’s remarks to the BBC Radio 4 Great Lives programme condoning terrorism in some circusmstances are an absolute disgrace, and should be disowned by the Prime Minister. The Radio 4 interview focused on the life of South African Marxist Joe Slovo, a leading member of Umkhonto we Sizwe, the military wing of the African National Congress (ANC). The ANC’s bombing campaign included the targeting and killing of civilians.

    As The Daily Mail reports, when asked by presenter Matthew Parris whether terrorism can ever be justified, Miliband stated:

    “Yes, there are circumstances in which it is justifiable, and yes, there are circumstances in which it is effective.”
    “The importance for me is that the South African example proved something remarkable: it looked like a regime that would last forever, and it was blown down.”
    “It is hard to argue that, on its own, a political struggle would have delivered. The striking at the heart of a regime’s claim on a monopoly of power, which the ANC’s armed wing represented, was very significant.”

    The full interview can be heard here, and yes, the comments are accurate.

    Miliband’s ill conceived statements demonstrate a serious lack of strategic judgment by a senior government official at a time when Britain is actively engaged in combating terrorism both at home and across the world. They be will be used by homegrown Islamist terrorists to justify their own terror attacks against British targets, as well as by the leadership of al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

    There are absolutely no circumstances under which terrorism is acceptable. The Foreign Secretary is sending an extremely dangerous mixed message to Britain’s enemies and handing them a huge propaganda opportunity. He should issue an immediate apology and the Labour government must clarify whether or not it actually believes that some forms of terrorism are acceptable.

    It is hard to see how Miliband can continue representing Britain on the world stage after he has publicly condoned the use of terrorism in certain situations. The figure responsible for crucial aspects of British anti-terror operations cannot be seen to be justifying the use of terror in any form, whatever the historical context. The Foreign Secretary’s foolish words are a bridge too far at a time when British soldiers and security services are putting their lives on the line combating terrorism.


    CONFUSED FOREIGN SECRETARY

    Miliband is confused, as this shows, May 2009:

    ‘Mr Miliband added that “we need to hold fast to our own values and support those who seek to apply them”. But he apparently saw no contradiction in later saying: “Between the secular liberal and the person whose faith is inseparable from their politics, there is no easy assimilation. Neither is any way of judging who is ‘right’.”‘

    What? Pardon?

    He also said in November 2007 that we would still have invaded Iraq with Brown in charge.

    Following Miliband’s Question Time gaffe on “people will want Blair back”  a commenter at Iain Dale’s blog said this:

    “Yes, I agree, Miliband is probably right. I’m no great fan of Blair, but at least he talks sense on terrorism and on Iraq, if nothing else (the howls of contempt from the rest of his Party on those issues tells me he must be talking a teensy bit of sense). Once Blair goes, New Labour goes, and it doesn’t matter who takes over, Brown, Prescott, (it could have been Robin Cook or Claire Short for all the difference it will make). I think that once all the hulabaloo over loans has died down, Blair’s legacy will be that of a reformer, who tried against all odds to modernise his party, but to no avail. He learned the hard way that you cannot reform socialism; it stinks no matter what cologne you spray on it.”


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    10 Responses to “British Foreign Secretary David Miliband defends terrorism. SACK HIM!’”

    1. Grundoon Says:

      I suggest that Mr. Miliband will not be so understanding of terror attacks if he is the next target.

    2. Arlene Says:

      KTBfPM,
      If he doesn’t come up with a grand excuse, like too much wine or a recent concussion or something, sack him!

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        How long have you got? Brown can’t/won’t sack him. The press will pay little attention to this, as he is saying what they believe anyway. That terrorsim is all Blair and Bush’s fault and thus some Muslims, supposedly, can’t stand us. Presumably that’s why they’re queuing up to get in here.

    3. margaret walters Says:

      perhaps he should try living in israel or the palestinian territories and then he might understand the effects of terrorism. killing civilans for a cause whatever the cause is wrong i.e. terrorism.

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        I don’t doubt that there comes a time, in the absence of military victory/defeat that jaw-jaw must go alongside or even take over from war-war, as in Northern Ireland when Major and Blair’s positions varied from Thatcher’s. But there is a BASIC difference between “war” as declared by a nation-state and terrorism. We were NOT at war with Ireland while the terror outfit, the IRA, in their quest for a United Ireland, were bombing us.

        The ANC carried out plenty of atrocities of its own. Wonder why Miliband didn’t refer to them as being WRONG?

        The man is in job where his shoes are too small.

    4. Watt Tyler Says:

      GOTCHA, Miliband! See his details here: http://eotp.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/2009-new-labour-david-miliband-m-p-parsite/

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        I wonder, Watt.

        His expenses? Well, who cares about that overdone nonsense?

        But the linked pictures from your site are a horrific reminder of what another “terror” organisation did to those who had brought wealth to South Africa.

        My modern-day concern is that A.N.Other group might wish to bring similar to those who have helped bring wealth (even as it hiccups) to the west.

        For those who don’t know the validity of your alias, I am providing this link.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wat_Tyler

        Interesting two names appearing near the top – Jack Straw and (John) Ball!

        If their ancestors have been around THAT long, these two at least should know better than to upset the peasants.

    5. Dr SC Says:

      Well, as you just saw very recently, Mr Miliband expelled one Israeli (Mossad) diplomat from England. There were 12 Mossad agents who forged British passports, yet no explanation or the whereabouts of the others who were involved. This case of ‘terrorism’ where Israelis used British cover to go into Dubai and kill a Hammas political leader, seems like an ‘acceptable form of terrorism’ to Mr Miliband (though he openly condemns it). Had it been anyone from a Muslim country, by now the NATO forces would’ve bombed the living hell out of them. Murdering atleast a few thousand would’ve been of order. Expelling one diplomat is hardly a fitting punishment for a much bigger crime. Israel continues to receive impunity from Western country while openly carrying out assassinations all over the world.

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        Dr SC,

        Don’t agree with you on this:

        Had it been anyone from a Muslim country, by now the NATO forces would’ve bombed the living hell out of them. Murdering atleast a few thousand would’ve been of order.

        NONSENSE.

        The zeitgeist today is that Muslim countries and people are hardly ever questioned about what they are up to both within Britain and outside. And after the continual and ongoing disparagement that Blair still receives from our press over just about everything and anything he does and did, including breathing, there is very little likelihood that a “muslim” country will be attacked over “spying”.

        Our politicians are far too terrified to do anything considered un-pc now.

        As for removing the Israeli diplomat over the passport incident, I suppose that is a fair move. But we can hardly be expected to find and indict every spy/killer of a Hamas leader. And why the hell should we?

        Israel receives very lttle impunity from western countries today, btw. Israel is treated badly by European countries today, imho.

        Do you ever think there is any comparison to be made regarding “muslims” who carry out assassinations all over the world? DAILY? CAR BOMBS?

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