It’s ‘Un-British’ but ‘Pro-Syrian’ to ban the burka. FGS. Gimme strength!

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    19th July 2010

    UPDATE: I forgot to include Belgium as a BANNER OF THE BURKA. It was the actually the FIRST EU country to ban it. Apologies, plucky lttle Belgium. I have now added BELGIUM below. Meanwhile Spain too is debating this in parliament.

    Damian Green, Immigration Minister: “… a ban would be ‘rather un-British’ and run contrary to the conventions of a ‘tolerant and mutually respectful society’.”

    This is despite a YouGov survey which found that 67 per cent of voters wanted the wearing of full-face veils to be outlawed.




    What IS this world coming to?

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    • In secular (religion largely Roman Catholic) France335 votes for ban, ONE against.
    • In Muslim (Middle-Eastern, remember!) Syria burkas will be banned in Universities.
    • In Britain (constitutionally Anglican, also supposedly ‘secular’, largely irreligious) a call to ban the burka will most likely NOT be heard in parliament. The ConDem government in their new freedom-loving fashion are not permitting this Conservative MP the freedom to place this motion in front of the House.


    That’s not the word I’d use.

    Despite Conservative MP Philip Hollobone’s winning a ballot for a Private Members’ Bill in Parliament on this issue, and despite a poll showing that two-thirds WANT a ban on the burka in public, at the top of government there are few who agree that Britain’s culture is worth saving.

    Philip Hollobone, Conservative MP, is calling for a burqa ban in Britain.

    Mr Hollobone has tabled a private members’ bill which would make it illegal for anyone to cover their face in public.

    The Kettering MP, who has previously likened full face veils to ‘going round with a paper bag over your head’, said: ‘It is unnatural for someone to cover their face and it not a religious requirement.

    ‘We are never going to have a fully integrated society if an increasing proportion of the population cover their faces’.

    His Face Coverings (Regulation) Bill is the first of its kind in Britain, and is one of only 20 private members’ bills drawn in a ballot for the chance to make it into the statute books.

    The bill, which had its first reading in June, stands little chance of becoming law due to limited Parliamentary time and a lack of support from the main political parties.

    Mr Hollobone has insisted that his bill has widespread public support: ‘People feel that something should be done about burkas, but so many are afraid to speak out for fear of being labelled a racist.

    ‘Part of the British way of life is walking down the street, smiling at people and saying hello, whether you know them or not. You cannot have this everyday human interaction if you cover your face.

    ‘These people are saying that they don’t want to be part of our way of society.’

    So, let me get this straight.

    DECEMBER 2008: Conservative Party leader David Cameron (r) and William Hague (c) hold a shadow Cabinet meeting in the Palace of Westminster with Damian Green (second left).

    Britain’s Immigration Minister Damian Green thinks that forbidding women in the UK from wearing certain clothing would be “rather un-British”. He thinks such a law would run contrary to the conventions of a “tolerant and mutually respectful society”. Ra…THER!

    A what?!

    Presumably he also thinks that wearing a burka is terribly, terribly British?

    On “tolerance and mutual respect”, by the way – where does the lack of THAT come from today, Mr Green? From those who advocate suicide bombing in Britain and/or elsewhere. From such as these who collaborated to bring down seven planes over the Atlantic?

    (Clue: suicider killers are NOT historically native British.)

    Or does “tolerance and mutual respect” come from those who are NOT happy with the insistence of some to keep their faces hidden away from the rest of us?

    Whose behaviour, OR whose thoughts on this behaviour is more Un-British than British?

    (Clue: we’ve never historically had this hideaway/hide-and-seek behaviour from any other immigrant group.)


    Perhaps the Tory leader and supposed leader of the country David Cameron hopes his Big Society nonsense will solve all our societal problems. As a side-effect, it could cut costs. As another side-effect it would permit government to offload responsibilities for burka wearing, as well as plenty of other little things, onto the rest of us.

    THAT, Mr Cameron, that is not what government is all about. It’s about decision-making. It’s about taking responsibility.

    Responsibility for BIG DECISIONS.



    And meanwhile –

    SYRIA is banning the burqa in universities.

    BBC report

    “Female students wearing a full face veil will be barred from Syrian university campuses, the country’s minister of higher education has said.

    Ghiyath Barakat was reported to have said that the practice ran counter to the academic values and traditions of Syrian universities.

    His ruling, published on the All4Syria website, was said to be in response to requests from students and parents.

    The issue of full face veils has caused controversy in other countries.”

    To quote Melanie Phillips the world is surely turned upside down.

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    It might just be thought Un-British to hide behind a black binbag item of clothing, frightening youngsters, worrying bank clerks, giving airline check-in handlers the jitters.

    It might even be thought Un-British to accept that Muslims in Britain should wear their political religion on their sleeves whole body, while a woman with a crucifix is not permitted to wear her jewellery under her blouse.

    It might just be thought Un-British to fail to register the fact that immigrants into Britain wear the burka HERE when they NEVER wore it in the lands from whence they originally came.

    I could go on …

    In our good ol’ civilised, multicultural British way there is likely to be little in our I’m more-liberally-minded-than-you press with much good to say about Mr Holloborne’s proposition. In the same way that there is likely to be nothing about the light reading magazine INSPIRE I detailed here a few days ago.

    It’s all Islamophobia, isn’t it? Or racism? Isn’t it?


    Firstly, Islam is a religion whole way of life emanating from a non-western culture.  Secondly, unlike other religions, Islam makes non-British cultural, separatist and non-inclusive demands on every host nation it enters. And many of us stupid Brits LET THEM!

    For instance, here in Britain a well-known high street company has now installed MUSLIM toilets, despite having no Muslims presently working on the premises. No problem. Send a staff member outside to look for a burka-clad woman and call her in!

    “Use our loos, please Madam, or …erm … Sir. They … we are at your disposal.”

    CRAZY nonsense.

    We already know about their ‘demand’ and their success in getting separate Muslim-Only swimming sessions in some of our once PUBLIC swimming pools.

    We already know that a year ago there were 85, now probably more, Sharia Courts running in this country. And yet WHEN was this put in any party’s manifesto? NEVER – is the word you’re searching for.


    Islam within Britain or any western country is a societal issue. Cultural and political. In this way it is very different from Judaism, Sikhism or Buddhism. These three religions make no demands on British society except to be accepted within it. And they are.

    As for the nonsense about burka wearing being a matter of ‘freedom of religion’. TRIPE. The burka is NOT required in order to be a true Muslim. Many wear it IN ORDER to make a political statement. And many are encouraged to do so in order to make that kind of statement.

    Nor is it a valid argument that it is only the wearer’s ‘freedom of  choice’ as to whether or not to wear a burka.  The naive long-time natives on the liberal left in Britain may put that kind of societal suicidal tendency  – the British ‘open’ way  – ahead of the protection of our culture, history and democracy. I don’t.

    Hiding behind a veil/niqab/burka is not British tolerance at its best. It is turning a blind eye to subtle infiltration. It is allowing separatism at its worst, and most dangerous.


    Islam is a political movement, where democracy is subjugated to Allah’s word (whatever THAT is. They” tell us when they agree, but it;s not exactly pro-non-Muslims.)

    Islam is political as much as, perhaps even more than it is religious. It is a political movement even if many Muslims don’t (yet) realise it.

    The usual cry towards those who do not wish to see burkas on our street is “racism”. Again – utter rot.


    Islam is not a “race”. People who dislike the present ongoing Islamification of western nations don’t care whether it is a white or non-white Muslim encouraging it. We don’t care for it. And those of us feeling this way are increasing in number.

    Are you listening Mr Cameron?



    My earlier Post on this, June 2009: “Calling all men. Ban the intimidating, insulting burka and niqab”

    • Geert Wilders on why he became anti-Islam, and his message to Muslims:  ‘There are people who say that I hate Muslims. I do not hate Muslims. It saddens me how Islam has robbed them of their dignity.What Islam does to Muslims is visible in the way they treat their daughters. On March 11, 2002, fifteen Saudi schoolgirls died as they attempted to flee from their school in the holy city of Mecca. A fire had set the building ablaze. The girls ran to the school gates but these were locked. The keys were in the possession of a male guard, who refused to open the gates because the girls were not wearing the correct Islamic dress imposed on women by Saudi law: face veils and overgarments.

    The “indecently” dressed girls frantically tried to save their young lives. The Saudi police beat them back into the burning building.’

    • Blogging site shut down by FBI: A popular website that hosted more than 70,000 bloggers was shut down suddenly last week after the FBI informed its chief technology officer that the site contained hit lists, bomb-making documents and links to Al Qaeda materials, it was reported on Monday.


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    4 Responses to “It’s ‘Un-British’ but ‘Pro-Syrian’ to ban the burka. FGS. Gimme strength!”

    1. celia walters Says:

      Mr Green mutal respect means respect on both sides . Why should we respect Muslimswant for wearing Burkhas when they don’t respect our law and have justice in UK courts like all other people living in this country. When they respect the ways of this country then maybe we will mutual respect their ways BUT NOT BEFORE THEN

    2. PeacePassionRespect Says:

      banning the veil is totally unfair i thought britain was a free country if women want to wear the veil let them you should respect their decision it’s not like they are forcing you to wear the veil and why is it they are only targetting on muslims if they are going to ban the veil then in that case seikhs should not be allowed to wear their turbans christians should not be allowed to wear the cross necklace jews should not be allowed to wear their hats why just muslims they dont stop you from practising your religion then you should not stop them from practising their religion in fact you should respect every religion for its different teachings laws traditions and values

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        PeacePassionRespect – I disagree. For the simple reason that only a veil hides the person, so creating distance. I am not bothered about other modes of religious dress because they don’t hide the person. Human beings should be able to interact, to see one another’s faces. The eyes are not enough. Only humans smile, look sad or display emotion through their faces. Above all they show love through their facial expressions. If a person is prevented from doing this that person has been robbed of their humanity, with or without their realisation.

        I know many people in Britain who DO dislike all of these foreign religions’ outerwear, but I, personally am only concerned about the Muslim veil.

        I also feel it is an insult smacking us between the eyes, that another culture comes into this country, uses all of its freedoms and then refuses to allow us to look upon their faces.

        I am not religious but I now wear a crucifix.

        Why? Partly cultural. But mainly because for me it the crucifix is the symbol of democracy. Democracy in this country, the mother of parliaments and democratic values, was founded on Christian -based teachings. And thus democracy is now widespread – worldwide.

        Islam teaches that man-made democracy is wrong as only Allah knows and rules.

        Nonsense. Rubbish!

        And kind of hard to go along with the idea of a deity knowing and ruling when/if one does not accept a deity even exists.

        Democracy is the answer to all of these differences. For all of us. Open democracies, not religious/political movements.

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