“Brutal Police” – Critics Shame our Nation (Part 1, Pictures)

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    12th December 2010

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    PART 1

    Following Thursday’s student demos, the press and the blogosphere have had plenty to chew on.

    This post is in response to a post from Peter Reynolds and his carefully selected picture –  http://peterreynolds.wordpress.com/2010/12/10/brutal-police-thugs-shame-our-nation/

    Peter might have used this picture below instead. Why didn’t he?

    The Undeserving Ignorant. In case any student is reading this, I mean "ignorant" in its true meaning. They know nothing of democracy, history or the meaning of "demonstrating". This student protester urinates on Churchill's statue opposite the Houses of Parliament. Can you read what one of these low-life has scrawled (just above the head of the disrespectful pee-er)?

    I have one or two other pictures here too for Peter. But he may not like them as much as the one he’s so inauspiciously singularly, some might say judiciously chosen.

    It is clear that at least some, perhaps many of the students’ number went to these demos with malice aforethought. There have been four such demonstrations already.

    At the November 12th demo, at the Conservative HQ in Millbank Tower in London, a REAL student, not an infiltrator,  threw a fire extinguisher from atop the building into the group of Police standing below. The Police were struggling to try to protect the already seriously damaged building (Telegraph report)

    More coverage here at Sky News

    At another London demo on 24th November,  a policeman smiles patiently at the cowardly face hidden behind a mask. Masks, like burkhas and other pieces of camouflage, should be banned in a freedom-loving democracy. Rip ’em off, and photograph them, PLEASE. (See UK Reuters report here)

    Demonstrators face riot police during a protest, in central London November 24, 2010. Credit: Reuters/Luke MacGregor

    SHUT DOWN LONDON

    Then prior to the latest demo held this Thursday, 9th December these posters were available online, with some extra wording, available to followers . The full, choice wording can be seen at this site.

    “Shut Down London”? Hang on, I thought this was a demo, not a takeover of the capital!

    But it’s good to know that self-defence is no offence according to these Usurpers of London. The Police will have taken  note.

    These students can’t say they were not warned of violence from within their number. They were even warned by the MET Police. Of course the Met’s warning was  no more than scaremongering, wasn’t it? The students were all sweetie-pies.

    A female Police Officer is confronted by student protesters in central London, 9th December 2010.

    The normally sensible Michael White at the Guardian can make light of the students’ behaviour if he must. He can even insinuate in mellow tones that the wrecking, damage and violence was only the work of a few. The rest of us can actually SEE what happened.

    A brave youngster, who looks like a schoolgirl to me, tries to thwart others' efforts to wreck the police van. She was given short shrift. She should be given a medal.

    Why, you might wonder, is this post titled Part One? Because the above three pictures weren’t from Thursday’s demo, but from the demo of 25th November.

    And here are NINE more images from the 25th November “protest” –

    Presumably we are expected to smile sweetly as we ALL count the cost of these clean-ups?

    If you can hardly wait for more such pleasant pictures, there are plenty more pictures here of the December 9th demo

    Wikipedia records the Student Unrest here

    Excerpt: The first major demonstration occurred on 10 November and was jointly organised by the National Union of Students (NUS) and the University and College Union (UCU). Arriving from all over England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland,[2][3] approximately 30,000 to 52,000 protesters attended the demonstration on the streets of central London.[2][4][5] Further protests were held on 24 and 30 November, and 9 December, with students holding rallies and occupying government and university buildings. Organisers said that most of the protests were peaceful, but sporadic acts of violence and vandalism were reported by authorities; protesters and police officers alike were injured, and in some cases hospitalised. In one incident, a car with Prince Charles and his wife Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, was attacked on Regent Street. Initially, the police were unprepared and overwhelmed by the number of protesters and vandals; later, heavy-handed tactics by riot police were blamed for contributing to clashes.

    This earlier demo, on 10th November,  could so easily have ended in tragedy. One day, if this continues, one of these “demos” will.

    LATEST: PHOTOS RELEASED OF 14 TUITION FEES PROTEST SUSPECTS – See BBC report here

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    36 Responses to ““Brutal Police” – Critics Shame our Nation (Part 1, Pictures)”

    1. Peter Reynolds Says:

    2. Peter Reynolds Says:

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        I used this in the post above. This student union leader says, “What we see from the protesters is not violence, it is resistance”!!!

        WHAT?

        I cannot believe you think this is GOOD for the students, Peter.

        People are not “terrified of kettling”, they’re inconvenienced by it. These students should stop coming “armed with missiles”. Students are NOT being attacked by Police. It is the other way round. This student rant is utter *ollocks. UTTER!

        The Police are NOT seeking permission from these halfwits as to how to protect this country, its people and its buildings. It is not up to these spoiled brats as to how the Police do their job.

      • Peter Reynolds Says:

        Kettling is an outrageous, indiscriminate and brutal tactic and amounts to false imprisonment.

    3. Peter Reynolds Says:

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        Your point? That it was only a police officer and not “police officers” that had been dragged off his horse? So it was only one. So that’s all right then?

      • Peter Reynolds Says:

        There was only one incident. He wasn’t dragged off his horse, he fell off. He wasn’t beaten.

        It’s disgraceful misinformation from Cameron who seems to have been infected with the liar disease. They should have fumigated No.10 after GB moved out.

        • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

          I have seen a very short clip of this but I notice they only show the policeman falling off his horse, not what precipitated that fall. So I am in the dark as to whether the horse was spooked, say, by yelling demonstrators, say, or a flair or loud noise, say, or his hoof just nicked the edge of the pavement. If you can find a FULL clip, please link it here. All the better to inform us all.

          Perhaps Cameron knows more about this than we do. After all, as above, We Weren’t THERE!

    4. Peter Reynolds Says:

      I am gratified to have provoked such a strong reaction from you but I fail to see the substabnce in what you say at all.

      Of course I deplore ignorant morons defiling the cenotaph and the yobbo who threw the extinguisher from the roof deserves everything he gets and more.

      Of course masks shouldn’t be allowed. The police should have stepped in much earlier in the day and insisted they were removed. There is specific legislation that relates to this. I am pleased to see that most police officers seemed to be wearing their numbers this time instead of hiding them.

      I think the “Shut Down London” slogan is just rhetoric but perfectly legitimate.

      Of course I deplore any and all destruction and violence.

      Of course I chose a photograph to illustrate my point. I could have published many more than you have but how would that have enhanced or stengthened my message?

      The police’s incompetent handling of the march,disgraceful use of their “kettling” tactic and reckless, murderous intent in launching cavalry charges are the problems here.

      I say lock up all the anarchists, vandals and thugs on both sides. The police officers deserve their sentences doubled for breach of trust.

      It’s the police’s job to facilitate legitimate protest, not divert it, stifle it or bully it out of existence.

      They are useless, incompetent, liars and subverters of democracy. They shame us all. Thank God that camera phones, citizen video journalists and the internet preserve and expose the truth.

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        Your post Peter was a recycling of your dislike, no I think the word is hatred, for the Police. My post is the exact opposite. I admire the police in this country. I realise they do a thankless job and their hands are often tied by do-gooding, “poor me” human rightists. (Btw, I can’t stand the extreme position that Human Rights have taken us to today. I really think they need to be junked. We don’t need them.)

        My position too is that we should not encourage students or anyone to be violent. Starting with the Goldsmith lecturer far too many so-called adults, imho, are openly or inadvertently condoning violence from demonstrators by their stance. Yours – that the Police are as bad – worse probably – than the violent demonstrators – is one such source of encouragement to violence. IMHO.

        I do not accept that the Police should just throw cotton wool balls at these violent individuals and say tch…tch… I think they should be locked up. After being water-cannoned and dumped in the back of a police van. (If The Violent have left any Police vans able to be used!)

        You and I will NEVER agree on this one, Peter.

        I am pleased to see that some of them have now been arrested.

      • Peter Reynolds Says:

        Total twaddle.

        I don’t hate the police at all. I admire decent and honourable officers who do a very difficult job.

        There is no justification for violence except as proportionate self-defence.

        You seem to have the same problem as so many policemen. You can’t distinguish between legitimate protestors and violent thugs.

        I too am pleased that some of them have been arrested and Charlie Gilmour needs to be made an example of. I thought six months at first but maybe two or three years would be more appropriate.

        There has to be a better solution in the 21st century than a massed assault of 12th century mounted men-at-arms charging at (relatively) unarmed opposition!!

        • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

          The Mounted Police has its uses. I feel sorry for the horses, to be blunt. How do THEY know who’s an anarchist and which is Peter’s son?

          This protest started with 1000 demonstrators, then quickly grew to 15,000. The Police at their highest count totalled less than a fifth of this.

          Not all that easy to differentiate, especially when those with the highest VIOLENT profile so far, such as Gilmour turn out to HAVE BEEN students.

          But as for your saying you don’t hate the Police, Peter, I recall you had a dreadful tirade not that long ago against the Police in general after a Police car in Wales had pursued some elderly chap you KNEW had done nothing wrong! Perhaps you can link it here for us?

          A little like the tirades some have against Blair it always amuses me how some of us can KNOW so much when we weren’t there.

    5. Peter Reynolds Says:

      This is a well balanced account of the the demo.

      http://www.politics.co.uk/comment/education/comment-eyewitness-at-the-parliament-square-demo-$21386187.htm

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        Your idea of “well-balanced” and mine do not quite co-incide, Peter. Certainly on this matter.

        Off to lunch, but will no doubt be back at the old slave driver later today.

      • Peter Reynolds Says:

        I’m tempted to say “out to lunch”on this subject ktbfpm but I will not lower myself to abusing my friend. I am still stinging from your “IDIOT” taunt.

        • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

          Peter, I almost wrote “out to lunch” myself, but thought better of it!

          Apologies if I stung you with my “idiot” jibe. Told you I couldn’t stand for elected office. Too frank. I’d upset the voters!

          How ANY politician keeps people onside when there are so many huge disparities in opinion is better left to others, not me. I realise that. I know my limits.

    6. little ole American Says:

      The Left-wing mantra: “always blame someone else” (especially authority figures). Behind every violent protestor, is an organizer. Behind every peaceful protestor, is an organizer. Peaceful protestors bring the whole family, carry signs, sing, or light candles. Violent protestors cover their faces, use children as “bait”, use foul language, and urinate in public. Where are the parents of these students? Where are their profesors? Who are the pro-violence organizers? Unions might be a good place to start (Greece, anyone?).

    7. Peter Reynolds Says:

      I agree with you completely. We must find the organisers of the violence. By definition they would deny it but the anarchists must plan and prepare for these events.

      There were protestors of both the types that you describe at the demo on Thursday. One of the problems is that the police tend to treat them all as violent, even when they’re with the family, singing and carrying candles.

      When we look for the organisers of the violence, we must remember that some of them were wearing police uniforms with scrambled egg on their caps.

      Even I, as a right winger and no friend of the unions can’t really see investigating them as a sensible move though. I don’t think the troublemakers are connected with working people or their unions.

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        I agree that they have been infiltrated by violent anarchists, as has much of British chattering-class opinion, especially of the Guardianisto tendency. But I do not think the violence was only perpetrated by infiltrators. In fact I know it wasn’t only non-students who acted badly. The popstar’s son’s arrest shows that as does the fire extnguisher chucker of an earlier demo.

        You only need to pay a visit to some of the student sites, Peter, to see that THEY are advocating violence, at least covertly. Saying “Shut Down London” is a clue. Do these kiddies really think they can shut down London non-violently AND that no-one in authority will act to stop them?

    8. matt howard Says:

      Peter
      Some of your comments are shocking!
      I was there last thursday as someone trying to go about my normal business!. I was in a building on St George St close to Parliment. I saw a very thin police line stopping Students leaving the march route. I saw students start to break through this line. I saw students throwing traffic cones, sticks and other things at the police and the horses. At no part of this did I see a police officer start the trouble or even use their baton!. It appeared to me that the police decided that there was too many people to stop and so let them take over the route. It was then I saw not one or two but hundreds of students pull down the fencing in parliment sq. This wasnt put up to stop people getting on but new turf had been laid.

      Again the students were attacking the police lines, not the other way round.
      Reading some of you uneducated comments not only made me laugh but quite annoyed!. How do you think the police should have handled it then?
      you say about kettling is not the way forward and is brutal? Why is it brutal what a stupid thing to say. A large group is kept in an area so that they can be monitored properly and people not invovled in it can go about their day. How are people terrified by being in a large groupe all for the cause I dont understand. Firstly they are all together so their voices can be heard and secondly on thur the students left the organised march route as agreed by the organisers and took over Parliment Sq. Well you wanted to be there so whats the point staying there. If you care about the cause you will stay there as long as possible. Look at Brian Hawes the guy in the tent!. Students could learn alot of him. Typical though that after a few hours they get bored and want to leave.
      I guess the main thing behind it is the real reason of not wanting to be told what to do. This is way this country is in such a poor state and not one to be proud of.
      We all have to do things that we dont agree with. In this current climate well all have to help get our country out of the red including students.
      From what I remember from the Millbank demo. The students caused terror and distruction to hundreds of people and buildings they worked in. There was two hundred police officers on that day!. How can you blame them.
      I keep hearing people on tv saying it was only a handful of people causing problems. From where I was watching that wasnt the case. There were thousands masked up from the off. Before the march set off a police officer at the front of the march waiting to escort the march was hit by a brick and was knocked out. I read on another silly site that police officers should of taken the masks off these people at the beginnning! Can you imagine if they did the likes of you would of gone mad saying they had caused the problems and pushed the demostrators to riot for their heavy handed approach. To me it looked like they were trying to facilatate the march with little direct policing but the students decided they didnt want to be told what to do!.
      Im sure after the millbank protest alot of police were on their guard and possibly pumped up for confrontation but can you blame them!. I wouldnt want to go to work and be hit by a brick! I would do what I can do in my power to go home in one piece!.
      I think The “shut down london” slogan is proof that students do care about anyone but themselves. They have really shown themselves in a bad light and have totally lost my backing after witnessing first hand their behaviour. Before you go on and say it was a small group, well if that was the case and students really wanted to get their point across in a safe and violent free manner they should of stood up to these people that took over their demo! there were more of them at the end of the day! lol Where was those school kids that surrounded the riot van a few weeks ago! Older students could learn alot from those girls!
      Im sure there are one of two officers that over stepped the mark that day, we have to remember they are human too and not robots, it doesnt mean that what they did was right and should be investigated but Id say 99% did an amazing job(they got me home safe after getting abused by a small group of students as i left work that day). They cant win either way at the end of the day and Im guessing you class youself as educated, well its a shame you dont see the bigger picture!.
      Students knew what happened last time!. If they dont want to get invovled in violence move to an area that is peaceful. Why stand in front of police officers with sticks!. They are there to uphold the law!. The young lad who had the op, it hasnt even been proved that he was hit with a baton! From what I could see students were being hit but lots of things mainly thrown from the crowd behind them.
      Students need to stop thinking about themselves and realise this free money for doing nothing has got to stop!

    9. keeptonyblairforpm Says:

      @ matt howard,

      Good to hear from an ordinary member of the pubic who wasn’t there supporting the demo.

      I wonder if Peter will be as impressed by this witness account as he was by a student at his site who told him what he wanted to hear – that the Police were the troublemakers.

    10. Peter Reynolds Says:

      At no time have I ever suggested that all the students are right/innocent/peaceful and all the police are wrong/guilty/violent. There is wrong on both sides but any descent into violence by the police is worse because it is a breach of trust.

      What really amazes me is the naivete which you and ktbfpm demonstrate about the mindset and attitude of the average cop.

      As I’ve said before, don’t believe me if you don’t want to. Look at http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com and see how the cop themselves reveal their disgusting, aggressive, brutal culture. Or look at my site and see the coppers commenting there and confirming how out of control so many of their colleagues are.

      I support the police. That’s why I want to see so many bad apples removed.

      I want Charlie Gilmour to get at least two years for his behaviour. I want the coppers who assaulted Jody McIntyre to get four.

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        We can still see from your wishes on sentencing where your sympathies lie, Peter. I thought even libertarians agreed that we are all equal under the law?

        You simply do not accept the premise that the Police did NOT turn up at the riot in order to provoke. They police by consent and they police in order to maintain or restore order.

        And you still seem, though you tell me I’m wrong in this interpretation, to start from the position that the Police are more violent than the obviously violent. Or more wrong, whichever came first.

        Anyway, good news for you over at your site. And good news this end – I’ve started to write Christmas cards!

      • Peter Reynolds Says:

        Please keep up ktbfpm.

        Two crimes the same deserve the same sentence but when a policeman turns violent at a demo he commits a breach of trust. Just the same as if a bank employee steals from the bank. That requires stronger punishment.

        That’s why His Honour Judge Reynolds gives Charlie Gilmour two years and PC No X (I’ve seen his number being publicised on the web) four years.

        • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

          I refuse to “keep up” with you on this matter, Peter. If your approach to punishing the Police – the defenders of civil order – is indicative of your attitude. And I’m afraid I think it is indicative. Of course if a policeman “turns violent” for no reason he/she should be punished. But in the same way that some think the students were within their rights to riot, attack the police and damage buildings and monuments because they disagree with a political decision, some might argue that the police are within their rights to respond to violence with violence. (Having said that I saw very little violence from the Police on the day.)

          Your moving the goalposts to point to the occasional bad apple does not change the fact that the Police are paid to do their job. And for doing it they are supposed to happily soak up attacks by riotous juveniles.

          Rubbish. They responded in the way most of us agreed they should have. Containment and the occasional truncheon when other methods of calming did not work.

          As the other witness on the day asks you – what would YOU have done, faced with railings being pushed in your face? Sat them down and offered them a cup of tea and a biscuit?

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