Does Sharia Law Really Call for Barbaric Punishments?

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    26th May, 2008

    REALLY? BARBARIC PUNISHMENTS UNDER SHARIA?

    To answer my own question … well yes, it does call for them, in fact insists upon them. All you Human Righters get ready. Since you are always spoiling for a fight, as though your “rights” are more important than life itself, you may soon have a much more ferocious fight on your hands. Democratic governments do NOT call for your death for criticising a religion or God. On the other hand, (assuming you still have two hands), Sharia Law does NOT recognise democracy as a valid or viable form of government.

    This post below includes an interesting debate between the blog writer and a Muslim defending the draconian punishments which are part of Sharia Law. If you thought criticism of Sharia was all a western conspiracy to discredit another religion, read this.

    Article follows:

    Muslim spokespeople sometimes pooh-pooh the association of draconian punishments with Sharia, as though such an association could only come from ignorance. Here’s a recent example from The Sydney Morning Herald:

    “The use of the term sharia conjures up images of a brutal, harsh and inhumane legal system, characterized by amputations, beheadings, and stoning to death. In fact these were the very images used as the background to a news report about the lecture [stating Sharia would inevitably be incorporated into the British legal system] delivered by the archbishop.

    ”With such a grim picture of sharia in our minds, it is little wonder that the call made by the archbishop to consider ways of accommodating sharia law in certain areas of dispute resolution, in particular family law, was received with such animosity.”

    The authors could have acknowledged that those “brutal, harsh and inhumane” punishments are written into actual Sharia criminal law, but they did not, choosing instead to call them “[conjured] images”, “a grim picture”. The implication is that they have no relevance to a discussion of Sharia.

    So, let’s settle the matter of whether Sharia calls for these “brutal, harsh, and inhumane” punishments. There are four major schools of Sunni Sharia law. They agree about 75% of the time. Sharia has been basically unchanged for about the past 1000 years. There is a difference between Sharia and the laws of various Muslim states. Muslim states can vary in their implementation of Sharia, but this implementation does not change the basic nature of Sharia. There are authoritative legal texts of Islamic law which spell out what Sharia law entails. Here are some quotes from Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law (Shafi’i School):

    pg. 613 “THE PENALTY FOR THEFT…. A person’s right hand is amputated, whether he is a Muslim, non-Muslim subject of the Islamic state, or someone who has left Islam….”

    pg. 616 “THE PENALTY FOR HIGHWAY ROBBERY…. If he steals the equivalent of 1.058 grams of gold…, both his right hand and left foot are amputated…. If the highwayman robs and kills, he is killed and then left crucified for three days.”

    pg. 610 “THE PENALTY FOR FORNICATION OR SODOMY…. If the offender is someone with the capacity to remain chaste, then he or she is stoned to death….”

    pg. 595 “APOSTASY FROM ISLAM (RIDDA)…. When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed.”

    pg. 617 “THE PENALTY FOR DRINKING…. The penalty for drinking is to be scourged forty stripes, with hands, sandals, and ends of clothes. It may be administered with a whip, but if the offender dies, an indemnity… is due… for his death.” [This penalty applies only to Muslims.]

    In each case, there is also a list of qualifiers for who should be punished. Of course, these punishments are not carried out much of the time today, but they certainly are a part of Sharia. They have never been removed from the books, and they can be enforced at any time and place that Sharia is considered to be a valid source of law.

    In addition, there is evidence these barbaric practices are still very much alive. Aid organizations, such as the Red Cross, have found it necessary to have a policy for whether to assist with amputations meted out as punishment in Muslim countries. Stonings are being carried out by the legal system in Nigeria, Iran, and elsewhere.

    So tell me, why exactly would we believe those who say they could implement Sharia family law only, without opening the door to the criminal law with its cruel medieval punishments? If we legitimize Sharia as a source of law, what exactly would stop orthodox Muslims from wanting–and indeed, expecting–the whole thing?




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    14 Responses to “Does Sharia Law Really Call for Barbaric Punishments?”

    1. obazad abdullah shiiiiamm sed Says:

      Under Sharia Law even getting an erection is enough to deserve being beheaded at least 3 times, then burned and castrated with a 20 pound Allen wrench. As for nasty thoughts….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    2. keeptonyblairforpm Says:

      Yeh, great fun!

      I suppose it’s not a bad idea – if we all had three heads.

      Mock if it makes you feel better. I won’t publish your other comment. Had enough laughs for one half hour.

      ;0)

      By the way, for the security of my readers I have removed your url, due to a message when I clicked on it saying that I was about to login there and it may be an attempt to trick.

      Well, blow me down with a three-headed allen key!

    3. noone09 Says:

      Theft??? A human’s LIFE or any PART of a HUMAN’s BODY is not something that one can reproduce at any given time like material things or money.

      Well for murder. An eye for an eye. A tooth for a tooth. That i’d have to agree with.

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        Hi noone09,

        Of course we in the west are never supposed to THINK of retributive justice, such as “an eye for an eye” nowadays in these post-religion times. But Islam still calls for it in many parts of the world. WHY? Because the koran says so – or so say some.

        Perhaps that’s why there are so many of the Islamic faith in Britain these days. To escape hand-chopping.

        Today I saw a burkha-clad woman – I think it was a woman – two eyes was all I could see – and it really irritated me.

        WHY? I am finding it more and not less annoying as it becomes more common in our cities.

        Again WHY?

        Because it is not part of our liberal, liberated culture to hide people away. And I DO find it frankly quite rude and insulting.

        As far as I am concerned it has no place here.

        Nor do their barbaric punishments.

    4. Phillipp Says:

      It is a sad state of affairs. I’ve studied the Abraham religions for a while and one can understand why Islam is so barbaric if they take time to compare the readings. At least with the barbaric verses of the bible they are not directly said, written by man, composed by man and are usually in the old testament (leading most Christians to cherry-pick). No possibility with Islam: the Koran is the ‘word of god’ descended directly from heaven. And since it is also incorporates the Sharia, which is further supported by the ‘holy words (the Hadiths) of the prophet’ it is impossible to remove Islamic law from Islam.

      I’ve just finished a 6 month course on these 3 main religions and I’ve never heard such one sided propaganda, especially for Islam. For example the Islamic section discussed Sharia on fornication, adultery, theft and murder amongst many but fails to mention their punishments and sodomy or apostasy (I wonder why…). They even lie, such as calling the Persian poet, philosopher, astronomer and mathematician the Great Omar Kayyan a Muslim – the man despised the muslims and even wrote a quatrain proving it.

      Alas the spineless delusional hippie westerners are going to more than feel the pinch of this defeatism in the future as Europe become more and more Muslim because of the Muslim reproduction industry. I just hope I’m dead before the war starts because frankly and objectively…I don’t think that we’re going to win.

    5. keeptonyblairforpm Says:

      Hi Phillipp and thanks for your thoughtful comment.

      I am frequently told by defenders and deniers to go off and READ the koran. Frankly life is too short and my interest in religion too limited to waste my time. Especially when it is argued by those who would still disgree with an interpretation which does not concur with theirs that “it’s all in the translation”!!!

      In other words no other interpretation is valid unless it agrees with theirs, and unless it’s in the original language, which, as it happens we westerners cannot possibly hope to understand (or translate properly.) A lose/lose situation.

      The ‘reproduction industry’ to which you refer worries me too. We have been fooled and blinded by our own liberalism.

      And who, apart from racist groups in this country, Britain, has the guts to stand against this? FGS, we don’t even use existing laws to charge such as Anjem Choudary with incitement in case he and his ilk send 10,000 Muslims marching on parliament.

      I do hope we can turn this around, but don’t ask me how! Anyone who dares to suggest that Islam is not as liberal as Christianity is evidently a “racist” hooligan and not to be trusted.

    6. Themis Says:

      I am a Christian woman and there is only one truth. Jesus. I don’t read other peoples truth because I do not need to. Jesus said ” I am The Way, The Truth and The Life”. He said it, I believe it, that settles it! May God Bless these hell-bound people.

    7. Ciknay Says:

      @Themis I think your faith is blinding you to the particular subject. It doesn’t matter what you believe, it’s what they believe. Which is the Qu’ran is the word of God. You shouldn’t demonise other religions and people because they do not believe what you do. We all have the freedom to choose our religion, do not condemn others for doing so. I am atheist, and although I do not believe in a God or higher being, I believe others have the right to do as such.

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    9. biserka Says:

      I am not surprised that an bishop wants sharia low in England.Enslaving woman would please them.We must be vigilant and put effort into not allowing them to destroy our achievements in human rights and against exploitation.
      It is scary to see that some male think it were good to have sharia and subdue woman. But what they are blind to is that they themselves would be exploited as well.Yes men are terribly exploited under sharia ,not only women and children.Our laws are not perfect and we are not perfect and our relationships are far from perfect, but it is gold compared with them. I wonder how can they be so blind, don’t the see how they are taken for the ride bay the few.Bit in the past we did not see it eider for ling period of time,called dark age.

      • keeptonyblairforpm Says:

        @ biserka,

        I am sure there are elements of sharia and parts of the wolrd where it is practised where none of this happens. But I am not convined THAT version would prevail were sharia spread in the lands of the west, dominated right now by the moral relativists. Apart from that WHO NEEDS IT?

        We took decades, centuries even to develop our legal system, much of it with the help and influence of the Christian Church. We need take no lessons from any other – ANY OTHER – religion, fundamentalist or not.

    10. armedtotheteeth Says:

      Sharia law has worked out so well in IRAN, Iraq, afganistan.pakistan. sudan. Those countries are well respected in the international community. I think all folks that want shria law should be sent to those countries..and give them their 72 virgins before hand.

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